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I don't know if the change has happened yet, but this morning FB was suggesting a Fox News page to me .
No thanks
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That’s helpful.A mate has just given me a good tip if anyone else wants to avoid all the unwanted AI bullshit and/or right-wing suggested content.
Go to Feeds and click Friends or Groups or Pages and you get just that - stuff posted by friends or within groups or things you actively follow. The only interruptions are adverts for dull and ordinary stuff, which are just annoying rather than infuriating.
Doesn't stop your mates or groups or pages you follow posting crap, but at least you can bin or mute them.
Don't give me ideas!Honestly I reckon there's money in someone recreating a purely social Facebook type site, not trying to be cool or cutting edge, just aim it at boring old gen x and boomers and charge a small monthly fee, like £3 (maybe after a few free months to get it rolling, but be transparent it'll be a small charge after a time). No ads, no algorithms, just a chronological feed of what your contacts are doing, their photos, memes etc. If you get a couple million users you've got millions of quid a month coming in.
Absolutely, it's always been capitalists tolerating liberalism until they don't, for example when woke consciousness starts pointing out that capitalism is the reason everything is shit. That's why they are so much harsher about 'wokeness' than 'political correctness' or 'the loony left that came before- because being 'woke' (if done correctly) is explicitly anti capitalist.This just shows the myth of a 'liberal elite' running everything. Its capitalists running everything and if they think adopting a liberal stance is more profitable to their companies they'll adopt a liberal stance. If they think colluding with fascism and rightwing populism will be more profitable, they'll bend the knee, like they're all doing now to the rapist fascist maniac Trump.
I've come around to Yanis Varoufakis' cloud capital view.... It chimes with what you just said21st Century Fascism won't be about locking up critics, it'll be about algorithmically shadow-banning them into irrelevance whilst enhancing the reach of violent, racist, misogynist and conspiratorial poison across the digital airwaves.
Valérie Hayer, an MEP and the leader of the centrist Renew Europe grouping in the European parliament, said: “The EU will remain uncomfortable for social media giants by standing up for the integrity and independence of free expression and democratic processes. Europe will never accept manipulation and disinformation as a standard for society. By abandoning factchecking in the US, Meta is making a profound strategic and ethical mistake.
I still find this astonishing:Meta’s changes to factchecking will lead to clash with EU and UK, say experts
Politicians criticise Mark Zuckerberg’s choice to scrap factcheckers, affecting Facebook, Instagram and Threadswww.theguardian.com
The changes to Meta’s global policies on hateful content now include allowing users to call transgender people “it”, with the guidelines stating: “We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation.”
One of our local marketplaces has been completely taken over by scam ads, report them and FB deny they are problematic.. it’s advertising US fake food banks and cheap yard sales. The marketplace is based in Portugal. Really easy for FB to tell if they gave a shitMain things I note is that there is nothing about the huge amount of scam advertising on Fb, or their use of algorithms that are designed to create “engagement” by amplifying the most base instincts of users.
That is particularly disgusting. Meta saying people can call my 16yo or indeed any gay or trans person 'mentally ill' in the name of 'religious/political discourse'. Legitimisimg this is blatant attempt to get queerness back in the psychiatric hospital. Presumably they'll try say that it's not abuse, it's 'concern'I still find this astonishing:
One of our local marketplaces has been completely taken over by scam ads, report them and FB deny they are problematic.. it’s advertising US fake food banks and cheap yard sales. The marketplace is based in Portugal. Really easy for FB to tell if they gave a shit
I've never understood why this hasn't happened already.Honestly I reckon there's money in someone recreating a purely social Facebook type site, not trying to be cool or cutting edge, just aim it at boring old gen x and boomers and charge a small monthly fee, like £3 (maybe after a few free months to get it rolling, but be transparent it'll be a small charge after a time). No ads, no algorithms, just a chronological feed of what your contacts are doing, their photos, memes etc. If you get a couple million users you've got millions of quid a month coming in.
Totally, I tried reporting some clear scams for a while and they just said it did not violate any of their standards.
This loophole - where social media firms can pretend they aren't running a marketplace, are publishers or are profiting from the content on their sites whilst doing all of that - really needs to be closed now.
If they were a physical marketplace they'd be at least investigated if people were being ripped off constantly, and if they were publishing / profiting from libels in "legacy" media they'd be sued alongside the author. Closing this loophole would have the benefit of not being a "free speech" argument too, as of course everyone else has to play by the same rules.
"leave for virtue signalling"
In this case I didn’t get the sense of them running a marketplace, just taking ad cash from very dodgy people.
Not disagreeing with anything you say, obv, and I could be wrong about their level of involvement.
I think the “publishing” bit is more thorny.
I don't know if the change has happened yet, but this morning FB was suggesting a Fox News page to me .
No thanks
TBF I think the publishing bit is the easy one; they sell ads based on the content, have editorial control over the content (at least in terms of approving or banning it after a complaint and in Twitter's case boosting it), they can monetize the content and they licence the content from the creator. Any legislation would need some safeguards - eg: libel action could only be taken against the company as well as the OP after it was brought to the attention of the company and they made a decision to leave it up there, or there were significant negative impacts on the person / people affected - but IMHO it needs to happen.
Just a matter of time if the current direction of society continues.I'm just waiting for the day when they start to come for sites like this...
I happily pay toot.wales £3 a month, and a similar amount to the server fund.Don't give me ideas!
Mastodon is this. You can even setup your own one just for your mates but also follow people in the wider network if you want.Honestly I reckon there's money in someone recreating a purely social Facebook type site, not trying to be cool or cutting edge, just aim it at boring old gen x and boomers and charge a small monthly fee, like £3 (maybe after a few free months to get it rolling, but be transparent it'll be a small charge after a time). No ads, no algorithms, just a chronological feed of what your contacts are doing, their photos, memes etc. If you get a couple million users you've got millions of quid a month coming in.
I seem to remember Facebook group deleting a group of well over 220k members discussing vaccine injuries a couple of years back. Bang! Disappeared overnight.The right. The Powers That Be. The people that shut down dissenting voices when society - or those with power - lurch to the right.
But I'm just thinking out aloud and describing nothing more than a personal hunch.
But they can freely link to loon sites?On facebook, Canadians are not allowed links to mainstream media. It's quite pleasant.
How has this site led to the "erosion of free speech in modern society," exactly?Just a matter of time if the current direction of society continues.
Whilst acknowledging the vileness of present right wing thinking, I do hope we on the left can be honest enough with ourselves to own our contribution to the erosion of free speech in modern society