HeAthen
Nadgers.
I don't think they ever did. It's not like it's the first time they've attacked (and previously murdered) UN peacekeepers.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Gramsci
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No he doesn't mention Israel at all on re reading it.
In actual fact those killed by Hamas and others included tourists at the festival, Thai and Filipino workers.
I don't think all these people are Jewish. Or Israeli citizens.
Some are Jewish who've emigrated there so have dual citizenship.
But definitely some murdered were not Jewish or Israeli.
Hamas Israel attacks: The international victims of the assault on Israel
A number of those identified as dead or missing since Hamas launched attacks on Israel are from overseas.
www.bbc.co.uk
Yes he is conflating Israel with Jews in general.
He could have said he condemned the Hamas attack and the murder of civilians and also condemns the year long Israeli government directed attack on Gaza for the disproportionate number of civilians killed.
And we stand with Jewish and Muslim communities against hate
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mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Netanyahu seems to expect all jews to support his actions no matter how brutal they are and IMO history will not look kindly on those who do.
Because talking about 'jews' is far more emotive than talking about israelis, and of course because starmer is by nature, training and preference a mendacious, manipulative fuckstick.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Labour uses the ihra def Labour's Antisemitism Policy – The Labour Party
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Indeed - the other victims of October 7th, the guest workers and the Israeli Arabs who died / were taken hostage seemingly don’t get a look in. This baffles me because that (the killing and taking hostage of the guest workers especially) is the easiest thing to criticize Hamas for, victimizing and continuing to victimize people who are nothing to do with any of this.
teqniq
DisMembered
It would be nice if the ICC were to issue some arrest warrants now:
UN Commission finds war crimes and crimes against humanity in Israeli attacks on Gaza health facilities and treatment of detainees, hostages
UN Commission finds war crimes and crimes against humanity in Israeli attacks on Gaza health facilities and treatment of detainees, hostages
HeAthen
Nadgers.
It certainly would but I'll believe it when it happens.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Well, gsv and I have both signed our names today to a letter going to Archbishop Welby about 'Please understand that the Chief Rabbi and Board of Deputies do not represent the views of all British Jews about Israel'. And we've added our synagogue as our affiliation. So that's going to piss some of the right people off.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This is signed by major NGOs like War on Want. Amnesty International and Oxfam
Northern Gaza: NGOs accuse UK of 'failing to stand up for international law'
Over a dozen British organisations warn Palestinians are 'facing an imminent existential threat' in northern Gaza where Israel has launched a fresh offensive
www.middleeasteye.net
The letter also says it looks like IDF are trying to split Gaza in two.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Just to clarify that "goyim" mean anti-semitic in this context?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Had a look at David Lammy twitter. Lots of forthright stuff on Putin and Ukraine. No ambiguity there. Russia is a mafia state etc
On recent events in north Gaza nothing.
Posts on aiming for regional stability and ending the cycle of violence. With few mentions of two state solution ( what is not mentioned is that UK government will not recognise Palestine state yet. )
So Ukraine clear cut and Gaza its complicated.
On recent events in north Gaza nothing.
Posts on aiming for regional stability and ending the cycle of violence. With few mentions of two state solution ( what is not mentioned is that UK government will not recognise Palestine state yet. )
So Ukraine clear cut and Gaza its complicated.
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teqniq
DisMembered
He's getting a complete shoeing for this tweet (the vid is little more than soundbite confetti imo) and the response here is spot on:
'Goyim' means non-Jews. It literally means 'the nations'.
I don't get Lammy's logic. Israel and Russia are doing the same thing.
teqniq
DisMembered
It is perhaps a little more complicated but it can be boiled down to the logic of realpolitik. Israel is a Western ally, Russia is on the other team.
teqniq
DisMembered
I agree with all of this but with regard to the the bit I've bolded, therein lies the truly awful hypocrisy.
It kinda drives me to rage that both Palestine and Lebanon are invariably referred to as 'Hamas' or 'Hezbollah' while nowhere do we hear Israel described as either 'Jews' or 'Zionists'. Israel is not bombing the shit out of 'Hezbollah' - they are killing Lebanese and Palestinians, including women and children..Unless we subscribe to the theory of every single Lebanese citizen being a member of Hezbollah, the sly complicity of media propaganda is insidious and distressing.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I know what you mean but let's not make routinely describing Israel as 'Jews' a thing eh
Why not Froggy? I thought Netanyahu had decided that Israeli citizenship was indeed synonymous with being Jewish ...but am not really up to speed with this.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
No it is certainly not. I'm Jewish and I've never been to the place, let alone have an Israeli citizenship!!! I don't have any immediate family there. If people keep linking Israel to Judaism as he always tries to do, that's gonna have a knock on effect to Jews here isn't it. I find it antisemitic that people already assume that I support Israel and people going on about 'Jews' on TV etc is just gonna make it worse.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I agree about the double standards but there are millions of Jews that have never been to Israel, dont have citizenship and many who don't agree with what it's doing. It's bad enough having to constantly explain that I don't support Israel at the moment fgs.
As of 2018 Netanyahu passed a law called 'Nation State of the Jewish People' which basically enshrined eg the exclusive use of Hebrew etc and a bunch of other stuff in law. There's also the law of return which entitles most Jews to potentially get citizenship there (doesn't automatically give them it though).
That may be what you are thinking of but no being Jewish is certainly not synonymous with having Israeli citizenship.
As of 2018 Netanyahu passed a law called 'Nation State of the Jewish People' which basically enshrined eg the exclusive use of Hebrew etc and a bunch of other stuff in law. There's also the law of return which entitles most Jews to potentially get citizenship there (doesn't automatically give them it though).
That may be what you are thinking of but no being Jewish is certainly not synonymous with having Israeli citizenship.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Netanyahu and the Israeli government deliberately conflate 'Israeli' with 'Jewish'. Most notably, they will repeat the mantras that criticism of Israel is necessarily antisemitic and antizionism and antisemitism are synonyms.
But we really mustn't do that.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I find it hugely offensive that people do that tbh. Not a criticism of you or anything but people really shouldn't do it.
'Zionist' is also problematic to be used on the news tbh as opposed to just speaking as we are now - it has been used as an antisemitic insult in the past, and also everyone means something different by it lol
'Zionist' is also problematic to be used on the news tbh as opposed to just speaking as we are now - it has been used as an antisemitic insult in the past, and also everyone means something different by it lol
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I agree with you about David Lammy.
In Spain it's quite different.
Run by centre left government the language that is used by it's leaders is very different from what I get from this countries leaders.
Take this from Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez- very much a centrist -
Spanish PM condemns Israeli 'invasion' of Lebanon
www.middleeasteye.net
Goes to show the way the issue is presented in this country makes it hard to come across as reasonable if one is critical of Israel actions.
Sanchez is far from being on far left. Some of his government coalition are. But he isn't.
It's possible in Spain to say things that here are derided as marginal views and extreme.
Spanish government have arms embargo, recognised Palestine as a state and are supporting South Africa case in the ICJ.
Imo put our centre left government to shame.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
That position is held by many countries
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Zelensky holds it.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The answer would be to make one state for all the people who live in the old Mandate area.
Id prefer to say that state of Israel is.a Zionist state.
It's not that complicated. Israel state is founded on removing the Arab population or at least making them a minority on their own land. To be replaced by Jewish people. That is Zionism.
That doesn't mean all Jewish people agree with a Zionist state.
Id prefer to say that state of Israel is.a Zionist state.
It's not that complicated. Israel state is founded on removing the Arab population or at least making them a minority on their own land. To be replaced by Jewish people. That is Zionism.
That doesn't mean all Jewish people agree with a Zionist state.
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Books, not bombs
Israel using American arms; quelle surprise
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