JimW
支那暗杀团
Express is blocked here but I'm guessing Paul Stott
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Plastic Paddy
Who is he?
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Another tedious old fuck with a PhD from Birbeck, who has now been reduced to writing for the Express. I have no particular memories of him on here before he took the decision to monetise Islamophobia and his insights into terror.Former Ubanite throws his two pennyworth in (reposting not an endorsement)
Hamas's attack on Israel will have terrible consequences in the UK
The Hamas assault on Israel is rapidly turning into the greatest military disaster in that country's history - comparable to the unexpected Japanese triumph over the British in Singapore in 1942.www.express.co.uk
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
There's an interesting dichotomy - that we know, and accept, however much through gritted teeth, that conflict causes psychological stresses that make/allow/whatever people to behave in ways that they would be utterly horrified with under 'normal' circumstances, while at the same time we (well, most of us...) believe that there are, regardless of circumstances, absolute red lines of morality.
No particular answers, I just think it's interesting how two mutually exclusive things can be true at the same time.
JimW
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Anti-fascist who became increasingly focused on Islamism then went further right though not really followed him much, used to enjoy some of his early blogging.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Yes, but who on Urban?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
What name did he post under here?
JimW
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I think it's because I expect there to be all the other influences too - community, family, the tenets of I slam and the traditions and legends of Arab warriors, none of who prided themselves on being top rapist or child-killer AFAIK.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Fine as long as you insist on them arriving on motorised paragliders.
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JimW
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Can't remember now.
I'll second this but note that they are Israeli citizens and the focus is on Israeli politics. They don't have any special insights of the occupied territories or Gaza in particular.
Didn’t know he posted on here. Used to write Notes From the Borderland with Larry O'Hara IIRC though.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Indeed. You don’t have to have lived in Gaza to be able to tell right from wrong.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Lot of good you are.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I think he posted as 'Paul Marsh'?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The old Class War to Daily Express pipeline.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
So with one of the other tedious old fuckers with a PhD from Birbeck.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Like a budget Brendan O'Neill.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Not 100% sure about that and at least one of their Palestinian writer lives in Jerusalem. Would've thought some would have families living in Gaza and the West Bank even if they don't.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Moral relativism rears its head.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hamas's attack on Israel will have terrible consequences in the UK, warns Dr Paul Stott
The Hamas assault on Israel is rapidly turning into the greatest military disaster in that country's history - comparable to the unexpected Japanese triumph over the British in Singapore in 1942.
By DR PAUL STOTT
19:04, Mon, Oct 9, 2023 | UPDATED: 07:56, Tue, Oct 10, 2023
20BOOKMARK
The Israeli West Bank separation barrier cutting through Abu Dis or Abu Deis a Palestinian community (Image: Getty)
Large numbers of young men, fighters from Hamas and other Islamist groups, entered southern Israel intent on kidnapping, theft and mass murder.
Many of the details are as yet obscure, but it seems around 250 people, mostly in their teens and 20s, including dual nationals and those from a range of countries, were murdered at the Supernova rave near Kibbutz Re’im.
Deaths now total around 800, and at least 100 people, including children and the elderly, have been taken to Gaza as hostages.
How does this impact upon us in the UK? Sadly, what goes on in the Middle East, does not stay in the Middle East.
Three examples suffice. For some years now a campaign of direct action by a group called Palestine Action has seen factories in England and Wales attacked, as protestors accuse them of arming Israel.
Some have received heavy sentences, and others have been found not guilty, after utilising the same defence as climate change protestors following the 2021 Ziegler judgement – that their actions are "proportionate" given the threats they pertain to demonstrate against.
Following the terrorist attacks by Hamas in Israel, Saturday evening saw crowds in Acton, west London, waving Palestinian flags in celebration.
While the world digested in horror social media clips which included the body of a near-naked woman being spat on by Hamas fighters, on Sunday marchers in Brighton listened to a speech where the "victory" of the Palestinians was applauded.
As the police increase patrols, those committing public order, criminal damage or hate crime offences must be rapidly arrested and prosecuted.
London’s status as a global city has ensured virtually every political exile movement has some degree of representation in the capital. That obviously includes Hamas.
The UK had long proscribed its terrorist wing, but only in November 2021 did Home Secretary Priti Patel ban its political wing.
However, this shift appears to have produced little in the way of obvious action from the police or security services towards Hamas supporters here.
Earlier this year, in a review of the counter-terrorist Prevent strategy, Sir William Shawcross criticised the Home Office’s Research Information and Communications Unit (RICU) for failing to produce an analysis of Hamas in this country.
Sir William added “The open support voiced in the UK for Hamas, including by those in senior political or community roles, is totally unacceptable.”
We need to hear from the Home Secretary what is being done to both assess Hamas’ membership and support networks in this country and to minimise their influence.
Three examples that make good Shawcross’ criticism follow. Back in 2004, Hamas released a suicide video showing two Britons, Asif Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif, whom the group used to conduct a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv.
In 2017, Mohammed Sawalha, then a trustee of Finsbury Park Mosque, was part of a delegation of Hamas’s Political Bureau to Russia.
In 2015, Mohammed Kozbar of Finsbury Park Mosque travelled to Gaza, where he was pictured at the grave of Hamas’s founder, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, and met its leader, Ismail Haniyeh.
Today Kozbar is Deputy Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain.
This summer the MCB tweeted a picture of Mohammed Kozbar, with Matt Jukes, the national head of counter-terrorism policing and Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, at the London Association of Muslim Police’s AGM at the Islamic Cultural Centre, Regent’s Park Mosque.
Whenever questions are asked about the police’s approach to "community relations", the response is often that senior police officers should have "operational independence" to decide how to address these issues.
"Operational Independence" however, cannot be used as a fig leaf to prevent appropriate democratic oversight.
Last month the Home Secretary announced a review of political activism and impartiality in the police, to be conducted by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services (HMICFRS). That will consider staff networks, including the National Association of Muslim Police and its local branches, although its deadline to report in March 2024 is too late and must be brought forward.
Above all, in light of Sir William Shawcross’s words and what we have seen from Hamas supporters on the streets, the Home Secretary should ask the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation, Jonathan Hall KC, to conduct an urgent review specifically of police engagement with community organisations.
This must consider whether existing engagement is fully consistent with the updated CONTEST and Prevent counter-terrorism strategies.
She needs to raise this topic at her regular meetings with Sir Mark Rowley and Matt Jukes.
If war is too important to be left to generals, aspects of policing are surely too important to be left to policemen and women, no matter how eminent they are.
Dr Paul Stott is Head of Security and Extremism at Policy Exchange
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
his name is on the article , twice in fact
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't care about his real name.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not sure, might be SDP now.
gosub
~#
Just a straight up blast from the past. Name vaguely rang a bell probs about ten-15 year ago
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I'm sure you don't but why are you telling me?
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