Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Spymaster]

Yes, fair enough. I'm thinking more of the Palestinians who support Hamas than those committing rape, tbf.

I'm keen to know how much support Hamas have among regular Gazans for this action.

Like the people who are going to pay for it.

 

[tim]

Before we fall out before the Urban Christmas Drinks might I suggest time out, or a breather away from the thread, or just stepping back from the last few pages?

This issue hasn't been resolved for hundreds of years, we won't resolve anything in 40 pages of an internet forum.

Which problem hasn't been resolved for "hundreds of years"? You're just repeating unthinkingly the same old shit that is usually pumped out by bores about Ireland or the Balkans.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

The US press reports that there is no corroboration for the claims of rape at the festival. As there is no corroboration for the beheading claims.

I wonder why the need then for the young lass to end up naked on the back of the truck.

 

[frogwoman]

I was referring to the videos posted online purporting to be from Gaza etc

 

[Petcha]

I'm keen to know how much support Hamas have among regular Gazans for this action.

Like the people who are going to pay for it.

I saw a doctor from Liverpool who's stuck in there at the moment being interviewed. The presenter asked him that very question and he said he hadn't heard anyone who didnt support what was going on. But then you'd hardly raise your voice given the situation.

 

[Ax^]

be careful of watching video of killing on line

as unless you can tell the difference between one part of the middle east or the next

as ghouls are reusing video from Syria and other area as happening noe

 

[dilute micro]

Israel’s Channel 12 reports that Israeli officials warned their Egyptian counterparts against supplying aid to the besieged Gaza strip, saying they would conduct airstrikes on trucks carrying supplies to the area.

Shortly after the announcement, convoys of fuel trucks and Egyptian goods due to enter Gaza via the southern border crossing with Egypt “retreated from the Rafah crossing,” said Channel 12. The crossing is currently closed indefinitely.

Cutting off utilities alone will end up backfiring on the current support for Israel if Netanyahu doesn't restore it soon. Then this seems to be a slap in the face to a country that tried to help prevent the massacre. I assume Israel might see the trucks as delivering weapons??

 

[JimW]

...I assume Israel might see the trucks as delivering weapons??

Could be as simple as wanting to enforce their starvation tactics if they've already gone as far as shutting the water off.

 

[Pickman's model]

What we'd like is people to whom we offer support and solidarity, be they Ukrainian or Palestinian or whoever, to behave in ways which we can support, assaulting military targets, not slaughtering babies and so on. But we're dealing with people who may have themselves seen unspeakable things and lived in conditions that are appalling. People brought up in gaza on tales of deir yassin and so on are likely to view the zionists, the people on the other side of the wall, rather differently than us, from our learned information about gaza, about zionist atrocities. Were we in their position, I expect we hope we'd behave differently.

 

[frogwoman]

be careful of watching video of killing on line

as unless you can tell the difference between one part of the middle east or the next

as ghouls are reusing video from Syria and other area as happening noe

No I didn't watch the video but saw it discussed in several articles

 

[Rimbaud]

be careful of watching video of killing on line

as unless you can tell the difference between one part of the middle east or the next

as ghouls are reusing video from Syria and other area as happening noe

AI generated stuff can be quite convincing these days too.

 

[Idris2002]

Guy from the Australian rally where some chanted "gas the jews" claims he strove to shut those flaming galahs up.

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[littlebabyjesus]

What we'd like is people to whom we offer support and solidarity, be they Ukrainian or Palestinian or whoever, to behave in ways which we can support, assaulting military targets, not slaughtering babies and so on. But we're dealing with people who may have themselves seen unspeakable things and lived in conditions that are appalling. People brought up in gaza on tales of deir yassin and so on are likely to view the zionists, the people on the other side of the wall, rather differently than us, from our learned information about gaza, about zionist atrocities. Were we in their position, I expect we hope we'd behave differently.

yes, this says what I was trying to say, but better.

 

[The39thStep]

Which problem hasn't been resolved for "hundreds of years"? You're just repeating unthinkingly the same old shit that is usually pumped out by bores about Ireland or the Balkans.

Urban Xmas drinks would be a laugh after this year

 

[Magnus McGinty]

AI generated stuff can be quite convincing these days too.

And VFX. Like they do in the movies.

 

[PTK]

What we'd like is people to whom we offer support and solidarity, be they Ukrainian or Palestinian or whoever, to behave in ways which we can support, assaulting military targets, not slaughtering babies and so on. But we're dealing with people who may have themselves seen unspeakable things and lived in conditions that are appalling. People brought up in gaza on tales of deir yassin and so on are likely to view the zionists, the people on the other side of the wall, rather differently than us, from our learned information about gaza, about zionist atrocities. Were we in their position, I expect we hope we'd behave differently.

Yes. Most of the people who live in the Gaza Strip are from families who were expelled from what is now the State of Israel in 1948. Suffering does not ennoble people.
I know of a case in Derry in the "Troubles" in Ireland when passers-by were spitting on a wounded British soldier as he lay bleeding on the pavement.

 

[TopCat]

Yes. Most of the people who live in the Gaza Strip are from families who were expelled from what is now the State of Israel in 1948. Suffering does not ennoble people.
I know of a case in Derry in the "Troubles" in Ireland when passers-by were spitting on a wounded British soldier as he lay bleeding on the pavement.

You expected what, first aid?

 

[PTK]

You expected what, first aid?

That is a rather silly response to a serious point.

 

[emanymton]

The US press reports that there is no corroboration for the claims of rape at the festival. As there is no corroboration for the beheading claims.

I would be amazed of there was no rape anywhwre. It is a horrible part of anything like this.

 

[belboid]

I would be amazed of there was no rape anywhwre. It is a horrible part of anything like this.

Very true. Just pointing out the first stories, based around the festival, were, like so many others, uncorroborated. It's easy to just believe whatever we're already primed to believe.

 

[The39thStep]

Former Ubanite throws his two pennyworth in (reposting not an endorsement)

Hamas's attack on Israel will have terrible consequences in the UK

The Hamas assault on Israel is rapidly turning into the greatest military disaster in that country's history - comparable to the unexpected Japanese triumph over the British in Singapore in 1942.

www.express.co.uk

 

[LDC]

According to some it doesn't matter what happened anyway, it's all Palestinian resistance and we shouldn't comment.

Absolutely fucking poisonous politics.

 

[platinumsage]

AI generated stuff can be quite convincing these days too.

Or footage from computer games for lots of people it seems.

 

[TopCat]

That is a rather silly response to a serious point.

It’s a reasonable response. The IRA had a lot of support in Derry. The British soldiers were loathed and were a target.

 

[TopCat]

Look at the horror of the Israel-Hamas war: then at Elon Musk’s X site. It’s clear he’s not fit to run it | Marina Hyde

He took Twitter, sacked staff and reduced its checks and standards. Now, in this time of crisis, it’s clear why that matters, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

www.theguardian.com

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Former Ubanite throws his two pennyworth in (reposting not an endorsement)

Hamas's attack on Israel will have terrible consequences in the UK

The Hamas assault on Israel is rapidly turning into the greatest military disaster in that country's history - comparable to the unexpected Japanese triumph over the British in Singapore in 1942.

www.express.co.uk

Is he still in UKIP?

 

[Dystopiary]

be careful of watching video of killing on line

as unless you can tell the difference between one part of the middle east or the next

as ghouls are reusing video from Syria and other area as happening noe

It's not healthy to watch videos of killing anyway.

 

[TopCat]

Former Ubanite throws his two pennyworth in (reposting not an endorsement)

Hamas's attack on Israel will have terrible consequences in the UK

The Hamas assault on Israel is rapidly turning into the greatest military disaster in that country's history - comparable to the unexpected Japanese triumph over the British in Singapore in 1942.

www.express.co.uk

A strange political journey.

 

[Orang Utan]

Former Ubanite throws his two pennyworth in (reposting not an endorsement)

Hamas's attack on Israel will have terrible consequences in the UK

The Hamas assault on Israel is rapidly turning into the greatest military disaster in that country's history - comparable to the unexpected Japanese triumph over the British in Singapore in 1942.

www.express.co.uk

Who? (PM welcome as probably not for public ID)

 

[TopCat]

Urban Xmas drinks would be a laugh after this year

I will personally invite those who made death threats.