Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[TopCat]

I don’t think outsiders have any right to dictate what is appropriate for Palestinian resistance. The idea that there is acceptable resistance and unacceptable resistance is farcical and completely hypocritical.

 

[Idris2002]

That smells of bullshit.

JFC I hope you're right. But. . .

 

[Idris2002]

I don’t think outsiders have any right to dictate what is appropriate for Palestinian resistance. The idea that there is acceptable resistance and unacceptable resistance is farcical and completely hypocritical.

Who's trying to dictate anything to the Palestinian resistance? All we can do is play the hurler on the ditch. . . And if this latest horror turns out to be for real. . .

 

[JimW]

I don’t think outsiders have any right to dictate what is appropriate for Palestinian resistance. The idea that there is acceptable resistance and unacceptable resistance is farcical and completely hypocritical.

Utter horseshit. You can't have moral lines you draw in the world?

 

[LDC]

I don’t think outsiders have any right to dictate what is appropriate for Palestinian resistance. The idea that there is acceptable resistance and unacceptable resistance is farcical and completely hypocritical.

You don't think there's anything to be said by people in other parts of the world in solidarity with dissenting voices within Palestine. Or Israel? Or anywhere? Solely the business of those with that country's citizenship or nationality or similar? It's all pro-Hamas and everyone else shut-up, full steam ahead for anything they do? Fucking hell.

 

[RainbowTown]

From despair to where? I simply do not know.




R.I.P to all the victims.

Past, present.....and future.

 

[emanymton]

Utter horseshit. You can't have moral lines you draw in the world?

I don't belive it to be true, but this post is after a report of babies being beheaded?

Fuck me, Fuck me

Edit - the post you quoted for someone I happen to have an ignore. If that was not clear.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

That smells of bullshit.

Twitter/X is more repulsive than usual at times like this. There is bullshit everywhere. So many ‘hot takes’ which are just bad takes, so much ahistorical revisionism and loads of displays of performative drum banging.

Be good if U75 debated matters without unchecked twitter posts.

 

[Dystopiary]

This is interesting on Netanyahu and Hamas.

The end of the Netanyahu doctrine

The prime minister's claim that Middle East peace was possible without the Palestinians has been shattered by Hamas' incursion, and the ensuing war.

www.972mag.com

972mag is very good. I'd recommend them for people who want to read Palestinian and Israeli writers many of whom live there.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

We haven't lived our whole lives in an Israeli-run prison colony, discriminated against and threatened every day of our lives, loved ones regularly seen needlessly dying, dispossessed and mostly forgotten by the rest of the world. A bit of humility is due, at the very least, from those of us who criticise.

 

[kebabking]

I'll believe the baby story when I see it in Haaretz or the JP - not saying it's not true, it wouldn't surprise me - it's just there's a lots of excitable/panicked/deranged people posting on SM.

The BBC is having a bit of a mare this week - they're still reporting tensions between Vortigern and the Hengist PMC....

 

[TopCat]

Israel’s Channel 12 reports that Israeli officials warned their Egyptian counterparts against supplying aid to the besieged Gaza strip, saying they would conduct airstrikes on trucks carrying supplies to the area.

Shortly after the announcement, convoys of fuel trucks and Egyptian goods due to enter Gaza via the southern border crossing with Egypt “retreated from the Rafah crossing,” said Channel 12. The crossing is currently closed indefinitely.

 

[planetgeli]

I don’t see how anyone can defend this as ‘resistance’ or anything other than terrorism.

Hen Mazzig is not only unapologetic for his Zionism, he even sees it as a blueprint for the rest of the world. His homogenization of Hamas as baby beheaders is not exactly coming from an unbiased slant. It is also only one unqualified sentence from that news report - unqualified except for "that's what they (the IDF) told us".

 

[Spymaster]

We haven't lived our whole lives in an Israeli-run prison colony, discriminated against and threatened every day of our lives, loved ones regularly seen needlessly dying, dispossessed and mostly forgotten by the rest of the world. A bit of humility is due, at the very least, from those of us who criticise.

A bit of humility is due from those of us who criticise, what?

The rape and murder of kids?

 

[frogwoman]

Some of the victims of the hamas attack were bedouin living in villages unrecognised by Israel who the country refuses to provide basic amenities for including bomb shelters

 

[PTK]

I don’t see how anyone can defend this as ‘resistance’ or anything other than terrorism.

I think that the word you need is "atrocity." Blowing up an electricity pylon is terrorism, but it is not an atrocity.

 

[PTK]

I don’t think outsiders have any right to dictate what is appropriate for Palestinian resistance. The idea that there is acceptable resistance and unacceptable resistance is farcical and completely hypocritical.

Why is it hypocritical to advocate an ethical standard?

 

[frogwoman]

I think I need confirmation from someone other than Mazzig or the IDF

What has already been confirmed is bad enough

 

[TopCat]

Why is it hypocritical to advocate an ethical standard?

Because you don’t, whilst trying to impose your ethical standards, share the reality of experience that the Palestinians face.

 

[Petcha]

I'll believe the baby story when I see it in Haaretz or the JP - not saying it's not true, it wouldn't surprise me - it's just there's a lots of excitable/panicked/deranged people posting on SM.

The BBC is having a bit of a mare this week - they're still reporting tensions between Vortigern and the Hengist PMC....

There is a video online. I lasted about 3 seconds and almost vomited. A roomful of very young kids with their throats cut, dont know about the beheadings but no way I could make it any further.

 

[frogwoman]

A bit of humility is due, at the very least, from those of us who criticise.

I think you can criticise peace activists being kidnapped, raped teenagers being paraded around, etc

And the 'Those who criticise' line has been used by zionist apologists re Israel countless times through the years. 'We meant never again!' Etc

 

[tim]

I don’t think outsiders have any right to dictate what is appropriate for Palestinian resistance. The idea that there is acceptable resistance and unacceptable resistance is farcical and completely hypocritical.

Do you feel the same about Ukrainian resistance? If you don't, why not?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think you can criticise peace activists being kidnapped, raped teenagers being paraded around, etc

And the 'Those who criticise' line has been used by zionist apologists re Israel countless times through the years

Yes, fair enough. I'm thinking more of the Palestinians who support Hamas than those committing rape, tbf.

 

[PR1Berske]

Before we fall out before the Urban Christmas Drinks might I suggest time out, or a breather away from the thread, or just stepping back from the last few pages?

This issue hasn't been resolved for hundreds of years, we won't resolve anything in 40 pages of an internet forum.

 

[PTK]

Because you don’t, whilst trying to impose your ethical standards, share the reality of experience that the Palestinians face.

Then there can be no universally applicable ethical standards.

 

[frogwoman]

Yes, fair enough. I'm thinking more of the Palestinians who support Hamas than those committing rape, tbf.

No problem. The wording of your post wasn't entirely clear.

 

[frogwoman]

Revered peace activist is missing after sending harrowing text message during Hamas assault

Vivian Silver, 74, has spent her life dedicated to improving the plight of Palestinians, performing such acts as driving cancer-stricken Gaza residents to Jerusalem for treatment.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[frogwoman]

Bedouin Leader in Israel Says Community Lost Lives in Attack

The mayor of the predominantly Arab Bedouin city of Rahat, Israel, said that 19 Bedouins had been killed in the assault by Gaza militants and urged the government not to forget that his community were victims of the attack. Ata Abu Mediam said dozens of Bedouins had also been wounded and others kid

www.wsj.com

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you feel the same about Ukrainian resistance? If you don't, why not?

By all that's unholy please don't fuck this thread more than its fucked already

 

[belboid]

The US press reports that there is no corroboration for the claims of rape at the festival. As there is no corroboration for the beheading claims.