Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
The problem with resting your moral compass on scripture in a nutshell - some part of it can always be used to justify basically anything.
teqniq
DisMembered
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It's more like twisting it to validate murder and theft.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
PTK
Paul Kegan
Where is the evidence that the State of Israel funded Hamas in recent decades?
This is an interesting article from the Israeli Times ...
And
"Israel in the 1980s aided the rise of the Islamist Hamas as a rival to the secular Palestinian Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. Israel’s policy was clearly influenced by the U.S. training and arming of mujahideen (or Islamic holy warriors) in Pakistan from multiple countries to wage jihad against Soviet forces in Afghanistan."
Israel's historical role in the rise of Hamas
The complicated relationship between Israel and Hamas with the the 'Frankenstein' Jewish state help create
"American President Donald Trump in 2017 is reported to have decided to shut down the covert Syrian regime-change program."
"Israel, by contrast, persisted with its covert nexus with Hamas. With the consent of Israel, Qatar, a longtime sponsor of jihadi groups, funneled $1.8 billion to Hamas just between 2012 and 2021, according to the Haaretz newspaper."
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been in power for much of the past decade and a half, told a meeting of his Likud Party’s Knesset members in 2019 that, “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” adding, “This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
Same article
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PTK
Paul Kegan
Neither of these articles states that the State of Israel funded Hamas in recent decades. There is evidence that, in the 1980s, the organisation that became Hamas received cash, but that was before it engaged in military activity.
This is an interesting article from the Israeli Times ...
And
"Israel in the 1980s aided the rise of the Islamist Hamas as a rival to the secular Palestinian Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. Israel’s policy was clearly influenced by the U.S. training and arming of mujahideen (or Islamic holy warriors) in Pakistan from multiple countries to wage jihad against Soviet forces in Afghanistan."
Israel's historical role in the rise of Hamas
The complicated relationship between Israel and Hamas with the the 'Frankenstein' Jewish state help createwww.japantimes.co.jp
PTK
Paul Kegan
That states that Qatar financed Hamas, not Israel.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Yes, and it does not state that the State of Israel financed Hamas.
Attachments
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
Don't know if this has been shared yet (couldn't find it after a quick search)
Vol. 46 No. 5 · 7 March 2024
EXTRA
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Vol. 46 No. 5 · 7 March 2024
EXTRA
The Shoah after Gaza
Pankaj Mishra
Pankaj Mishra · The Shoah after Gaza
Memories of Jewish suffering at the hands of Nazis are the foundation on which most descriptions of extreme ideology and...
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One of the most pointless examples of destroying art for attention. Hard to imagine much more attention on Gaza, and there are already calls from pretty much everyone to have a ceasefire. Hard to imagine Israel was waiting for one more random old painting to destroy to change their mind. Just a bit of look at me activism for clout.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Has the UK government called for an immediate ceasefire? Has it stopped supporting Israel at the UN or stopped supplying weapons? What that action does is highlight our historic responsibility. It's not aimed at influencing Israel.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
When I was a student we occupied the university telephone exchange to protest about Apartheid.
But that was Manchester, Clearly Cambridge University students are more vicious.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You think this will make any difference? Ridiculous. If it will do anything it will turn people against the cause. The same as with Just Stop Oil.
Cid
Proper break this time
I'm usually pretty uncomfortable with art vandalism, but this was at least extremely targeted... Nor is it exactly what you'd call a major work of art, I don't think the body of work or reputation of Philip de Laszlo, who everyone here has definitely heard of, will suffer that much. Not really any more troubling than pitching statues into bodies of water. Even as someone in arty stuff I'd probably leave this one as is/repair minimally and add a note on its history.
The tactics are something else mind, I agree that this sort of action isn't usually particularly productive.
The tactics are something else mind, I agree that this sort of action isn't usually particularly productive.
lazythursday
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It's made a whole load of people aware of the Balfour declaration in a country that is generally historically illiterate and unaware of this country's part in many ongoing disputes / injustices. And has also likely raised awareness of the incredible scale of cultural destruction - universities, heritage, etc - going on in Gaza.
I'm not actually convinced it's the right tactic - ambivalent about it to be honest - but I can see the justification.
I'm not actually convinced it's the right tactic - ambivalent about it to be honest - but I can see the justification.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How many is 'a whole load'?
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
More than a few and less than a multitude.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
They might've been better off just spray painting Balfour's hands with that red paint, to symbolise that he has blood on his hands, rather than slashing the painting. It would've made the point and could've been more easily restored. I'd say that was an own goal on their part.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I mean, call me a cynic, but this looks less like an attempt to gain an operational foothold and an attempt to cut off and annexe another whole chunk of land.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has finished building a new road which runs across northern Gaza from east to west, according to satellite images verified by the BBC.
The IDF told the BBC they were attempting to gain an "operational foothold", and facilitate the movement of troops and equipment.
But some experts fear it will used as a barrier, preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes in the north.
Others said it appeared to be part of an Israeli plan to remain in Gaza beyond the end of current hostilities.
"IDF completes road across width of Gaza, satellite images show
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has finished building a new road which runs across northern Gaza from east to west, according to satellite images verified by the BBC.
The IDF told the BBC they were attempting to gain an "operational foothold", and facilitate the movement of troops and equipment.
But some experts fear it will used as a barrier, preventing Palestinians from returning to their homes in the north.
Others said it appeared to be part of an Israeli plan to remain in Gaza beyond the end of current hostilities.
IDF completes road across width of Gaza, satellite images show
The IDF says it is to facilitate troop movements but experts fear it could be used as a barrier.
www.bbc.co.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Let's call it 5k tops
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I disagree. I don't like the destruction of works of art anymore than anyone. But the kind of genteel "now look here old chap" idea you're proposing just would not have gathered the same degree of attention as the actual (partial) destruction of the painting.
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