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You should step away from all the loon / shit politics social media accounts you seem to follow and then repost on here ffs.
You should step away from all the loon / shit politics social media accounts you seem to follow and then repost on here ffs.
Evil comes in all sizes shapes colours and creeds.I believe there are some really vile people out there who don't actually give a fuck about Palestinians but are delighted to finally have a reason they can justify for calling Israel 'nazis'.
There's also some really vile people out there deliberately instigating genocide and war crimes. Calling them Nazis is a bit misplaced. Let's call them murdering fucking bastards instead.I believe there are some really vile people out there who don't actually give a fuck about Palestinians but are delighted to finally have a reason they can justify for calling Israel 'nazis'.
What's your position?
Do you believe Israel is still defending itself?
I believe there are some really vile people out there who don't actually give a fuck about Palestinians but are delighted to finally have a reason they can justify for calling Israel 'nazis'.
It's so kind of the fascists in the zionist government to commit genocide so making it really easy for themI believe there are some really vile people out there who don't actually give a fuck about Palestinians but are delighted to finally have a reason they can justify for calling Israel 'nazis'.
It's so kind of the fascists in the zionist government to commit genocide so making it really easy for them
To be fair it's never been much of a stretch to see the way in which the zionist government has treated Palestinians as bringing to mind nazi behaviour. I suppose it can come from a conspiraloon mindset. But i don't think it has to, it's been a commonplace notion among people I know for many years - people I've known since we were at school, people who have never troubled with conspiracy theories, people who tho not members of left-wing political groups are definitely on the left, people who have simply contrasted what they knew about the way nazis behaved with the way the zionists have done. Making out it's rw bullies feeding rw trolls for me misses out the extent to which the behaviour of successive zionist governments have provided the ammunition for people to draw these conclusions, which have existed since long before social media.I think I'd put it slightly differently: it's been a standard conspiraloon trope for years but now the kinds of people who have always liked to say it are being emboldened, by the behaviour of the current Israeli regime.
So right-wing bullies feeding right-wing trolls, being more or less business as usual. It's a shame to see that food being gobbled up by all and sundry though.
To be fair it's never been much of a stretch to see the way in which the zionist government has treated Palestinians as bringing to mind nazi behaviour. I suppose it can come from a conspiraloon mindset. But i don't think it has to, it's been a commonplace notion among people I know for many years - people I've known since we were at school, people who have never troubled with conspiracy theories, people who tho not members of left-wing political groups are definitely on the left, people who have simply contrasted what they knew about the way nazis behaved with the way the zionists have done. Making out it's rw bullies feeding rw trolls for me misses out the extent to which the behaviour of successive zionist governments have provided the ammunition for people to draw these conclusions, which have existed since long before social media.
Naxi
all I can say that in at least my experience you're mistaken. the people I know are in no way anti-semitic, being members of a circle of friends which includes jews, and have never said anything like the 'i can't be anti-semitic because' thing you propose. i suspect that over the past 35 years in which i've known them that any anti-semitism would have become apparent, that drinking around the corner from a wide range of jewish institutions in finchley they might have let slip some animosity against synagogues etc had their views inclined that way. perhaps the range of people who share the view that israeli governments act like nazis is simply wider than you know.I have long thought it's OK - necessary, even - to highlight cruel and unjust behaviour of the Israeli state, and to put as much pressure as possible on it to change and do the right thing, up to and including boycotts and sanctions.
But calling it 'nazi' has always been the preserve of a particular type of critic who tends to also come out with stuff like 'I can't be anti-semitic because arabs are semitic people. lol'. And you're right, those aren't always people with generally right-wing politics.
all I can say that in at least my experience you're mistaken. the people I know are in no way anti-semitic, being members of a circle of friends which includes jews, and have never said anything like the 'i can't be anti-semitic because' thing you propose. i suspect that over the past 35 years in which i've known them that any anti-semitism would have become apparent, that drinking around the corner from a wide range of jewish institutions in finchley they might have let slip some animosity against synagogues etc had their views inclined that way. perhaps the range of people who share the view that israeli governments act like nazis is simply wider than you know.
But words can be harmful. Words can spread hatred that can lead to the justification of all kinds of horrors. It's not either/or - we can condemn the war crimes in Gaza without being flippant about using harmful tropes.See it for what it is..I dont care what word is used... this is extreme punishment and the elimination of one group of people by another.
Fair points. I agree that using certain words is harmful. I was amazed that the parallel was being made on US tv.All I can judge by is my own experience of the people I've encountered who are happy to call Israel - not its government but the entire nation apparently - not just right-wing, not even fascist, but actually 'nazi'. As if nazism wasn't a particular ideology at a particular time that did particular things.
It's not any kind of analysis (invoking 'nazis' tends to come from a lack of that IME), it's just an insult, a way of lashing out and specifically aimed at insulting non-'anti-zionist' jews. Which is fine as far as it goes, but it's not really useful to anyone but the kind of person who just wants to insult a whole group for the actions of an extremist government.
Sort of darkly comical. It reads like the Israeli army have brainwashed him into believing Hamas were brainwashing him.Freed Israeli hostage describes ‘psychological warfare’ by Hamas captors
Itay Regev, calling for release of remaining hostages during visit to London, says he was told Israel did not want him backwww.theguardian.com
Those bastards in Hamas ingaging in the devious psychological warfare tactic, of basically telling the truth.