Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Kid_Eternity]

What is the Houthis game plan, and how will the US deal with them? Good analysis here:

The Costs the Houthis Are Poised to Inflict on the Global Economy

If the Red Sea "blockade" by the Yemeni rebel group continues, the impact on consumers and on local states will be considerable.

time.com

 

[Kid_Eternity]

And how do you categorise the game whereby the UK arms the Saudis to commit war crimes in the Yemen? Shirards?

It’s all part of the great game so doesn’t need different categories. Btw the Houthis have committed war crimes too.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Netenyahu in saving his own arse mode, because as has been said before he's likely toast when this is over:

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The minute this current administration escalation is over he’s fucked and he knows it.

 

[Kippax180]

Think the thread title needs changing. It's quite obvious what is happening and what the end goal of the Israeli government is. This isn't Israel vs Hamas, it's ethnic cleansing.

 

[Knotted]

You may change your celebration for them if they cause serious issues in the global trade system. All that happens then is inflation rises and poor people get even more fucked.

It's all easily ended.

 

[teqniq]

I saw elsewhere that the US is heading a multinational taskforce to deal with this situation:

OOCL halts Israel shipments amid escalating Red Sea threat - Maritime Gateway - South Asia’s Premier Shipping and Logistics News Portal

Hong Kong-based shipping company OOCL has suspended shipments to and from Israel in response to the rising threat to commercial shipping in the Red Sea. The company announced the decision in a statement on its website on Saturday. “Due to operational issues, OOCL will stop cargo acceptance to...

www.maritimegateway.com

 

[Mezzer]

His legacy could be far worse than that. If he isn't stopped, I think its not beyond the realms of possibility that Israel will no longer exist.

Could you elaborate? How do you see that panning out?

 

[klang]

BTW good for the Houthis.

As much as i can agree with the rest of your post, this raises eyebrows....baring in mind who the houthies are, how they destroyed a flourishing women's rights and students - movement, separated a country and in the process left large parts of it in rubble and on the brink of starvation, not much good will come of this....

 

[Knotted]

As much as i can agree with the rest of your post, this raises eyebrows....baring in mind who the houthies are, how they destroyed a flourishing women's rights and students - movement, separated a country and in the process left large parts of it in rubble and on the brink of starvation, not much good will come of this....

Yes I agree, they are a deeply reactionary force and I think they are exploiting an opportunity here (I put much more blame on the Saudi led coalition for the death and destruction in Yemen, but OK point taken). But at the same time I think they might just tip the scales for the US on this and I can't help but love that they are embarrassing the gulf monarchies.

 

[klang]

But at the same time I think they might just tip the scales for the US on this and I can't help but love that they are embarrassing the gulf monarchies.

I fear that yemen will pay a very heavy price for this

 

[TopCat]

I fear that yemen will pay a very heavy price for this

The rubble will be bombed into smaller pieces?

 

[klang]

The rubble will be bombed into smaller pieces?

Yemen is no post-acopalyptic wasteland. It is still populated by people who haven't given up hope and who are working very hard to better the future for their children.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yemen is no post-acopalyptic wasteland. It is still populated by people who haven't given up hope and who are working very hard to better the future for their children.

Of course it's not post-apocalyptic, the apocalypse will have to finish first

 

[redsquirrel]

As much as i can agree with the rest of your post, this raises eyebrows....baring in mind who the houthies are, how they destroyed a flourishing women's rights and students - movement, separated a country and in the process left large parts of it in rubble and on the brink of starvation, not much good will come of this....

Agreed. I don't give a rats arse about the global economy or the Saudi backed regime but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

 

[Pickman's model]

Agreed. I don't give a rats arse about the global economy or the Saudi backed regime but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Sometimes they are

 

[Knotted]

I fear that yemen will pay a very heavy price for this

A large part of the war in Yemen was about stopping the potential for disrupting shipping. That's already been fought and lost. Maybe they could go in again harder Israeli style, but how hard is that politically?

 

[Knotted]

Al-Jazeera are making hopeful noises about negotiations in Qatar, there might be UNSC resolution amenable to the Americans. We may be on the brink of a permanent ceasefire but I think the humanitarian crisis is well beyond stoppable now and whatever deal that emerges out of this will be terrible.

 

[PTK]

Mark Regev spouting heroic levels of "whataboutery" to justify refusal of access by Red Cross to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons on Radio 4 World At One.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Agreed. I don't give a rats arse about the global economy or the Saudi backed regime but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

I agree. And it's important to bear in mind regarding all Islamist cunts around the world. It is depressing how resistance has become increasingly Islamist in its nature.

However, the fact that the US does give a rat's arse about the global economy means this intervention may make a difference. It's possible to recognise that without cheering on the Houtis.

 

[PTK]

I agree. And it's important to bear in mind regarding all Islamist cunts around the world. It is depressing how resistance has become increasingly Islamist in its nature.

However, the fact that the US does give a rat's arse about the global economy means this intervention may make a difference. It's possible to recognise that without cheering on the Houtis.

I am unsure if the Houthis are Islamist.

 

[Flavour]

the humanitarian crisis is well beyond stoppable now

which is entirely the point and has been the MO since October 8. Netanyahu has decided that Gaza will be become uninhabitable. The destruction and murder will continue. This isn't about the hostages. it's about erasing Gaza as an entity.

They will probably succeed in that goal: Gaza will never go back to being what (little) it was -- it won't be rebuilt. The cost for that would be several times higher all the money spent on reconstruction in the previous "wars" combined. The genuine aim is to force a mass migration out of Gaza into Egypt.

Gaza, if it is ever rebuilt, will be rebuilt as Israel settler colonies.

 

[TopCat]

I am unsure if the Houthis are Islamist.

The Houthi movement (/ˈhuːθi/; Arabic: الحوثيون al-Ḥūthīyūn [al.ħuː.θiː.juːn]), officially known as Ansar Allah (أنصار الله ʾAnṣār Allāh, lit. 'Supporters of God'), is a Shia Islamist political and military organization that emerged from Saada Governorate, Yemen in the 1990s.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I am unsure if the Houthis are Islamist.

I'm far from an expert on them, but their slogan is this:

Allah is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A curse upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

They're Islamists.

 

[_Russ_]

Acts like a fascist, Dresses like a Fascist...I wonder how he smells

 

[Knotted]

which is entirely the point and has been the MO since October 8. Netanyahu has decided that Gaza will be become uninhabitable. The destruction and murder will continue. This isn't about the hostages. it's about erasing Gaza as an entity.

They will probably succeed in that goal: Gaza will never go back to being what (little) it was -- it won't be rebuilt. The cost for that would be several times higher all the money spent on reconstruction in the previous "wars" combined. The genuine aim is to force a mass migration out of Gaza into Egypt.

Gaza, if it is ever rebuilt, will be rebuilt as Israel settler colonies.

That's what they want to achieve but they are constrained by American interests. America wants to keep Egypt in its web of alliances against Iran/Houthis/Syria/Hezbollah. I think if the war stops now there won't be any chance of "transferring" the Gaza population into the Sinai. Not that I'm sure that it's going to stop now though...

 

[weltweit]

Mark Regev spouting heroic levels of "whataboutery" to justify refusal of access by Red Cross to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons on Radio 4 World At One.

Regev is scum.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Regev is scum.

He is truly loathsome.

 

[teqniq]

Arseholes, scum:

 

[mojo pixy]

Mark Regev spouting heroic levels of "whataboutery" to justify refusal of access by Red Cross to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons on Radio 4 World At One.

Yeah that's literally all he ever does, I switch off the tv/radio when he's on and switch back on a few mins later. Ditto Tzipi Hotovely.

 

[agricola]

Could you elaborate? How do you see that panning out?

Two main reasons - firstly, to maintain power he is going to have to change the state so that he will never face any consequences for his mismanagement. Doing that will prevent anyone competent from coming into a position of power who would be able to fix the mess he has caused, never mind the future messes.

Secondly, a lot of the security of the state depends on its deterrent effect of the IDF with regards to its neighbours. October 7th damaged the credibility of the IDF, but arguments can be made that they were isolated and understaffed formations taken by surprise, they were weakened by political miscalculations, although Hamas achieved some successes they were beaten back after a few hours etc etc. However going into Gaza and failing to win, especially after visibly making it an existential conflict, will obviously make the IDF seem much less capable.

What diplomatic engagement they had with neighbours was damaged by their repeated bad behaviour over previous negotiations, and has been destroyed by the brutality of the war so far. The diplomatic engagement with states further afield has been more of the interference type, with support bought at the elite level (via lobbying, arms supplies and services) rather than earned by appealing to populations. That has given the appearance of success, but as we see with the laughable nature of their PR it has resulted in them being unable and unwilling to try and come up with a narrative that other people can get behind.

Netanyahu will end up with an army that is seen as a defeated one, with no regional support and little useful support from further afield, and with a population that is absolutely does not support him but is unable to get rid of him via normal means. That is a massively risky situation for a country of nine million people to be in.