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He has gone to face a higher tribunal than anything the British state has to offer
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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He has gone to face a higher tribunal than anything the British state has to offer
Humberto
Relax
How does that work? Just interested on your angle there.
PTK
Paul Kegan
It is a mystery too great for the human mind to comprehend.
spring-peeper
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Don't be obtuse
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
All I did was Google IDF casualties as I said at the time, If the IDF has lost only 75 men so far then that means things are going absolutely great for them don't you think? Not likely to cause them to think about giving up. I see you're back in tedious point scoring mode, please don't. You are far more interesting when you're not.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
He's just dead like so many other people innocent and guilty alike.
Pickman's model
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ok. you googled. you saw something. i would like to see what you saw. so please share with me the site from which you gained the information. tbh i think you're talking bollocks. please prove me wrong. E2a it's really taking the piss for you to say you googled when you can't be arsed to say which site you consulted, it's a shitty variation on millions of pms of support. You made the claim. You back it up. It's not me point scoring, it's you being a twat
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Humberto
Relax
Hey man you don't have to answer, but you've mentioned it a couple of times recently. I would say that comes across, what? Arrogant?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Israel is such a small country that I think it would be difficult to cover-up major losses in battle.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I thought the really interesting bit was that he knew virtually nothing about the lives of Palestinians living just a few miles away, particularly the impact of the 'security checks'. Not uncommon I imagine, in similar situations, for example the ignorance of white South Africans about the lives of the black majority.
I put that down to being an American migrant. I think most Israeli's are completely aware. A lot of them do stints as check point guards.
Whagwan
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Interesting that the majority of casualties I've seen on the Israeli lists have been officers.
This list of 406 deaths only has 11 Privates, is that really feasible to have a 40:1 officer to private casualty ratio?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
There’s a difference between soldiers and special forces. This is part of the preemptive work against the risk of regional escalation.
Pickman's model
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It comes across as a pun on angles, if you're acute
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If MickiQ is to be believed they've managed to cover up 100+ deaths. But they don't share their source, which prevents analysis of its accuracy
Humberto
Relax
Yeah I got it in the end
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
The other point against a cover-up is that Israel needs (wants?) martyrs. The more the better, the better to mobilise the masses for what will not be a short war.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The opposite is more likely to be true imo. This is a conscript army. Any level of casualties hurts the cause, and the higher the number of Israeli deaths the more the 'war' is likely to become very unpopular very quickly.
I'm increasingly disinclined to call this a war. Wars generally involve two sides fighting one another. Even the title of this thread is now out of date. It's not a Hamas/Israel conflict. It is a campaign of extermination.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I get where you're coming from, but it's become a campaign of extermination (and if it isn't, it will do until one arrives, which won't be long now) because of the shock of October 7th. More war casualties will tend to reproduce that shock, and reproduce support for the war.
If IOF conscripts are dropping like flies this time next year, or this time six months from now, then maybe people on that side will reconsider, especially if the Gazans survive that long. Can they survive that long?
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i don't think they're lacking in martyrs after the seventh of october, there's a wide variety from which to take your pick. but heavy military casualties might dent their current ardour.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well I guess one pertinent point is that Israeli casualties are still relatively low. 75 so far, not including the 300-odd killed on 7 October. Looking it up, 2,800 were killed in the Yom Kippur war of 1973, so there's a long way to go to get there. And given that they're not actually fighting any armies this time, the casualty rate may remain low.
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Are still claimed to be relatively low. Does anyone have any trust in the Netanyahu government's honesty?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I have no trust in the government's honesty, but significantly higher casualties than those admitted to would be hard to cover up. People would be wondering why their sons weren't answering their phones. And given what they've been doing, it's not unfeasible to think that there've been 70-odd Israeli deaths so far. It's not exactly an even fight, especially since the much touted underground terror network appears largely to be an Israeli fantasy.
Larry O'Hara
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He wrote the definitive book on the takedown of Jeremy Corbyn. Dare say he hasn’t heard of you either…
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This is one of those 'they'll never kettle us all in Whitehall' moments. Sure it wouldn't be simple. But it's naivety beyond all call of duty to assume that because something may be hard that it's not being done. All manner of reasons could be adduced for them not answering, operational security and so on. I'm certainly not denying 75 zionist deaths. I just think it really doesn't stop there. I never expected it to be an even fight but asymmetric warfare, as the name suggests, never is.
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