Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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tim
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He would say that, wouldn't he?
ska invita
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teqniq
DisMembered
Yet more evidence of an epic intelligence failure, It would seem they had all the information to hand but those in a position to act on it dismissed it:
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
agricola
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... and that is the good explanation of what happened on October 7th. The bad one is much, much worse.
Flavour
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Are you seriously suggesting the Israeli government let this happen on purpose?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
What we can say with certainty is that the Israeli government is using the Hamas attack as a pretext for attempting a genocide in Gaza. Did they want to attempt a genocide in Gaza or were they forced into it? We know that at least some of those in government actively want the genocide to happen and that those are the people getting their way right now. They're not interested in peace. They're not even interested in destroying Hamas really. They're interested in killing/evicting two million people from the Gaza Strip.
I'm feeling a bit sick this morning after the resumption of the slaughter. And I certainly don't put it past many in this Israeli government having allowed this to happen. Are you seriously suggesting it's impossible? Have you seen who the Israeli security minister is? The murderous bastard threatened to bring down the government if the slaughter was not restarted.
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well said
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They wouldn't have known that 1200 Israelis would die. But in the case of Ben Gvir, I would absolutely see him thinking like that, yes.
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"Israel’s military announced on Friday morning that it was dividing the entirety of Gaza into dozens of numbered blocks as a prelude, it said, to demanding targeted local evacuations in the crowded south of the strip before planned bombing. It dropped leaflets on to Gaza with a QR code to a website with a map of all the areas and geolocating people within them."
Computer says kill everyone, number by number
the map
no "humanitarian zones" or safe routes on the map
As stated Khan Younis - the hub, the Gaza City of the south - is first to be destroyed. Theyre true to their word, people should listen to what they say more closely
Computer says kill everyone, number by number
the map
no "humanitarian zones" or safe routes on the map
As stated Khan Younis - the hub, the Gaza City of the south - is first to be destroyed. Theyre true to their word, people should listen to what they say more closely
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Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Is the political pressure on Starmer getting stronger…?
apple.news
Starmer hardens stance on Israel-Gaza war after mass Labour Party resignations — inews
The Labour leader has faced criticism from his party for not calling for a ceasefire
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Still beyond pathetic. He hasn't changed much of the language. Still not calling for a ceasefire. Still a wanker.Is the political pressure on Starmer getting stronger…?
Starmer hardens stance on Israel-Gaza war after mass Labour Party resignations — inews
The Labour leader has faced criticism from his party for not calling for a ceasefire
"Stop Killing Quite So Many Babies"
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Even the liberal US cable network won't tolerate too much criticism of Israel.
MSNBC cancels Mehdi Hasan, a truth-teller in a time of crisis
No high-profile journalist has been more assertive about Palestinian rights than Mehdi Hasan, and MNSBC punished him on Thursday by taking away the TV shows he hosted on the network and on NBC’s streaming service.Does this mean that standing up for Palestinians is a death sentence in the mainstream media – even at MSNBC?
Hasan is also hands-down the best interviewer in American news right now. He confronts and enlightens. He should be on TV every night.
A signal moment came on November 16, when Hasan cross-examined Mark Regev, senior advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Regev actually tried to deny that Israelis have killed children in Gaza. (At least 5,500 have died from Israeli action.)
MSNBC cancels Mehdi Hasan, a truth-teller in a time of crisis | Press Watch
Larry O'Hara
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You mean LIHOP? I have been wondering about that
weltweit
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QR codes are useless to people that don't have electricity or net connectivity ..
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Fucking QR code. Like they haven’t already destroyed/shut off mobile networks and power. What fucking good is that?
and why warn people to evacuate before bombing? Surely any ‘legit’ targets will also leave, meaning you’re just destroying homes and infrastructure, as if they’ve stopped pretending making the place unliveable wasn't the point.
weltweit
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I would like to see that interview, I have disliked Regev for many years, he was the doublespeak spokesman on Israel's wars in the past, has been the Ambassador to the UK while Labour were struggling with their anti-semite row (and I don't think those two facts are unrelated), now he is again spokesperson for Netanyahu, for the war. A very nasty piece of work.
eta just saw the interview on that link on TomUS's post, Mark Regev is beyond redemption.
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It was a massive humiliation for Israeli intelligence and military. I'm certain it was cock up not conspiracy.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Yeah, just smacks of conspiracism a bit. They wouldn’t have desired this murderous assault, but the political capital it gave them was more than welcome. Same with the Sept 11th attacks on the US, people thinking ‘now what can I do with this, what scores can I settle?’.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ben Gvir? I don't trust him not to have used his position as security minister to ensure the threat was downplayed, hoping that something would happen to give him an excuse to rain down revenge. He may not have been hoping for 1200 dead, but some yes, enough to constitute an atrocity, particularly if the dead came from the ranks of the pinko kibbutzim that surround Gaza.
I'm not saying he did do that. I have no way of knowing. But would I put it past him? Absolutely not.
Doesn't have to be cock up or conspiracy. Can be a bit of both. I would characterise the way Netanyahu enabled the development of Hamas as a combination of cock up and conspiracy.
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ska invita
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It changes absolutely nothing if it was conspiracy or cockup, not on the ground and not on the moral judgement against those involved - not worth talking about
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That AI story has reached the Guardian
www.theguardian.com
‘The Gospel’: how Israel uses AI to select bombing targets in Gaza
Concerns over data-driven ‘factory’ that significantly increases the number of targets for strikes in the Palestinian territory
Christ.
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a link for that would be good
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