Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[tim]

They don't, though. You've given a lot of examples, but just to take one, as pointed out, Chinese oppression of the Uyghurs involves attempts at forced assimilation. That's nothing like what Israel is doing. They're not trying to turn Palestinians into Jews. They're trying to keep them physically separated from Jews and ultimately to expel them. Now we're moving into apartheid territory. What is the West Bank if not a series of Bantustans?

It also includes forced sterilisation and abortion; hundreds of thousands sent to re-education camps; intense surveillance of Uyghurs as they go about their daily life and large scale colonisation of the region by Han Chinese who constituted 5% of the population in the 1940's and just under 50% today.

 

[Raheem]

Blinken on TV just now, caught candidly during his visit to Jordan. Looks haunted.

 

[tommers]

If you take which a broader definition but only include a state which has a Jewish majority and leadership alongside South Africa, and excludes the crimes of states with Christian, Buddhist Muslim Hindu or self-defined secular majorities and leadership, then something stinks about the use made of the definition.

If I'm wrong, explain to me, logically, how Burma; China with specific focus on the Uyghur, Sri Lanka, Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Bhutan, Iran and Cyprus are not Apartheid states? All have seen state over recent decades behaviour akin to to that of Israel. You might also reflect upon the British regime in Ireland over the past century.

They are also Apartheid states.

Is that OK now?


I mean what the fuck are you all arguing about here?

 

[tim]

Good on Hamas and Egypt

Hamas Halts Foreigners' Evacuations Till Injured Moved From Gaza Hospitals: Report

Gaza's Hamas government suspended the evacuation of foreign passport holders to Egypt Saturday after Israel refused to allow some wounded Palestinians to be evacuated to Egyptian hospitals, a border official said.

www.ndtv.com

Gaza's Hamas government suspended the evacuation of foreign passport holders to Egypt Saturday after Israel refused to allow some wounded Palestinians to be evacuated to Egyptian hospitals, a border official said.

"No foreign passport holder will be able to leave the Gaza Strip until wounded people who need to be evacuated from hospitals in north Gaza are transported through the Rafah crossing" to Egypt, the official said on condition of anonymity.

An Egyptian security source confirmed to AFP that "no wounded person or holder of a foreign passport arrived at the Egyptian terminal" of Rafah on Saturday.

He said the evacuation was suspended "after the bombing of ambulances transporting injured people who were on their way to the Egyptian terminal".


Canada has not gotten any nationals out yet.

Yes


Good on Hamas, Let's conveniently they murdered 1,500 people a month ago.

Good on Egypt, Let's conveniently forget that Sisi, the President, deposed and murdered his democratically elected predecessor, has jailed and killed thousands of presumed opponents and is brutal in his suppression of the people Sinai.

 

[spring-peeper]

Yes


Good on Hamas, Let's conveniently they murdered 1,500 people a month ago.

Good on Egypt, Let's conveniently forget that Sisi, the President, deposed and murdered his democratically elected predecessor, has jailed and killed thousands of presumed opponents and is brutal in his suppression of the people Sinai.

I am not forgetting any of that, but the past is the past.

We are living in the present - the Palestinians are living in the present. Many of them will not have a future.

It's a pity that you seem to think closing the border until the wounded are moved out and can be in a facility that has food and electricity is not a good thing.

I seem to think that you would just prefer people to die.

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
Some believe that 1500 dead Israelis > 9000+ dead Palestinians. I feel sad for people who believe that the equation is correct;
I wonder what number of dead Palestinians it would take to balance the equation.

or maybe I misread your post....

 

[tim]

I am not forgetting any of that, but the past is the past.

We are living in the present - the Palestinians are living in the present. Many of them will not have a future.

It's a pity that you seem to think closing the border until the wounded are moved out and can be in a facility that has food and electricity is not a good thing.

I seem to think that you would just prefer people to die.

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
Some believe that 1500 dead Israelis > 9000+ dead Palestinians. I feel sad for people who believe that the equation is correct;
I wonder what number of dead Palestinians it would take to balance the equation.

or maybe I misread your post....

I was merely pointing out that you were a fuckwit for praising reactionary murderous cunts such as the Hamas leadership and Sisi. I want the Israeli attack to stop, but I wouldn't hail Netanyahu for calling a ceasefire because he would also still be a murderous reactionary cunt.

 

[spring-peeper]

I was merely pointing out that you were a fuckwit for praising reactionary murderous cunts such as the Hamas leadership and Sisi. I want the Israeli attack to stop, but I wouldn't hail Netanyahu for calling a ceasefire because he would also still be a murderous reactionary cunt.

"fuckwit" <snort> no clue what that means. I'm Canadian, and we don't use that term.

My post was not about a ceasefire, it was about the border being closed.

My jubilation was more about keeping other countries citizens in Gaza.
My fear is that once a country gets all their citizens out, they may stop caring so much about what is happening over there.

 

[tim]

"fuckwit" <snort> no clue what that means. I'm Canadian, and we don't use that term.

My post was not about a ceasefire, it was about the border being closed.

My jubilation was more about keeping other countries citizens in Gaza.
My fear is that once a country gets all their citizens out, they may stop caring so much about what is happening over there.

Clearly, neither the Israelis nor Hamas care about the lives of individuals in Gaza. If the Israeli state cared about the lives of Israeli hostages, they wouldn't be bombing the places where they were being held hostage.

Neither side will care about the lives of third-country nationals.

 

[spring-peeper]

Clearly, neither the Israelis not Hamas care about the lives of individuals in Gaza. If the Israeli state cared about the lives of Israeli hostages, they wouldn't be bombing the places where they were being held hostage.

Neither side will care about the lives of third-country nationals.

not or nor ????

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Blinken on TV just now, caught candidly during his visit to Jordan. Looks haunted.

He visited Gaza itself on this trip, probably saw first hand what Israel defending itself looks like.

 

[Raheem]

He visited Gaza itself on this trip, probably saw first hand what Israel defending itself looks like.

He did what now?

 

[tim]

not or nor ????

Nor

 

[CH1]

Apologies if this has already been noted, but on Radio 4's "Sunday Programme" they played an excerpt from Benjamin Netanyahu launching the counter attack with a biiblical verse, 1 Samuel 15 2 (in Hebrew): 2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. BBC Radio 4 - Sunday, Use of scripture in war rhetoric & Church of England same-sex blessings

According to R4 the dog whistle here is the next verse, which would have mightily excited Netanyahu's ultra right camp folliwers:
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

 

[tim]

"fuckwit" <snort> no clue what that means. I'm Canadian, and we don't use that term.

My post was not about a ceasefire, it was about the border being closed.

My jubilation was more about keeping other countries citizens in Gaza.
My fear is that once a country gets all their citizens out, they may stop caring so much about what is happening over there.

Fuckwit: a compound noun made up of the words "fuck" and "wit". Anyone unable to work out the obvious meaning of such a compound would be a fuckwit.

 

[two sheds]

Could have meant someone who tells jokes while making love.

 

[tim]

Could have meant someone who tells jokes while making love.

That would be 'a tedious fuck'.

 

[mojo pixy]

Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuckwit

 

[teqniq]

 

[two sheds]

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[Karl Masks]

These two people could well be awful, I haven't looked. I don't know them. But I listened and it seems credible. It was pre Hezbollahs recent decision not to exacerbate things.

EDIT: not platforming cunts. Nothing to see here

 

[Aladdin]

There's some horrific footage on instagram posted on an account called TRT World.
Anyone know anything about them?

TRT World (@trtworld) • Instagram photos and videos

3M Followers, 17 Following, 19K Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from TRT World (@trtworld)

instagram.com

Some if not all the footage is very distressing.
In fact there is far more about what is going on in Gaza on instagram than any mainstream news channel on tv and any newspapers are showing.

One of their latest posts ..showing American Jews protesting against Israel/ Zionists atracking Palestinians.



And Israeli police pushing around orthodox Jews who are trying to speak out against what is being done to Palestinians



other posts are very harrowing and show in graphic detail what its like on the ground in Gaza right now.
One shows a Palestinian reporter who just learns that his colleague has been killed. The poor man becomes so distressed he removes his helmet and body armour and shouts that he be taken.


Then there's this...

Edited as requested and removed.
The video shows Palestinian prisoners having to listen to a kids song for 8 hour loops nonstop. The Israeli newsanchors make fun of this in the video clip.


I will edit if people think its wrong to show these.

 

[tim]

These two people could well be awful, I haven't looked. I don't know them. But I listened and it seems credible. It was pre Hezbollahs recent decision not to exacerbate things.

This is Scott Ritter the convicted paedophile who after his release went to work for Russian state media and thinks that Ukraine is a rabid dog that needs to be shot.

And Aladdin, it is clearly not acceptable to post videos of prisoners being abused.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is Scott Ritter the convicted paedophile who after his release went to work for Russian state media and thinks that Ukraine is a rabid dog that needs to be shot.

This is Karl Masks who thinks people should vote labour

 

[Karl Masks]

This is Scott Ritter the convicted paedophile who after his release went to work for Russian state media and thinks that Ukraine is a rabid dog that needs to be shot.

Well that's pretty fucking awful

 

[Aladdin]

I tried emailing the Israeli embassy here in Ireland. To protest and call for ceasefire.
They have a contact box on their website and no matter what I typed .. this is what showed up..


So .
Effectively stopping any email from getting through.

 

[Aladdin]

This is Scott Ritter the convicted paedophile who after his release went to work for Russian state media and thinks that Ukraine is a rabid dog that needs to be shot.

And Aladdin, it is clearly not acceptable to post videos of prisoners being abused.

Ok

I will edit now.

Video removed.

 

[agricola]

There's some horrific footage on instagram posted on an account called TRT World.
Anyone know anything about them?

TRT World (@trtworld) • Instagram photos and videos

3M Followers, 17 Following, 19K Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from TRT World (@trtworld)

instagram.com

Some if not all the footage is very distressing.
In fact there is far more about what is going on in Gaza on instagram than any mainstream news channel on tv and any newspapers are showing.

One of their latest posts ..showing American Jews protesting against Israel/ Zionists atracking Palestinians.



And Israeli police pushing around orthodox Jews who are trying to speak out against what is being done to Palestinians



other posts are very harrowing and show in graphic detail what its like on the ground in Gaza right now.
One shows a Palestinian reporter who just learns that his colleague has been killed. The poor man becomes so distressed he removes his helmet and body armour and shouts that he be taken.


Then there's this...



Apparently its a popular children's song being played to Palestinian prisoners on a loop for 8 hours nonstop. The Israeli newsanchors make fun of this in the video clip.


I will edit if people think its wrong to show these.

TRT World are the Turkish state broadcaster, they are pretty reliable and nothing posted here is not supported by things elsewhere.

 

[Aladdin]

TRT World are the Turkish state broadcaster, they are pretty reliable and nothing posted here is not supported by things elsewhere.

Thanks. That's good to know.

 

[Gramsci]

I think people should be in the streets and fucking the British Government and the Labour Party over for their support of the slaughter in Gaza. I think Israel needs to be targeted as do those murderous cunts in Hamas.

Your going on ignore.

I think your trolling this thread and are being disingenuous when asked for your motives.

If I don't like a thread I put it on ignore or don't post on it.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Your going on ignore.

I think your trolling this thread and are being disingenuous when asked for your motives.

If I don't like a thread I put it on ignore or don't post on it.

I put that poster on ignore a while back: utter troll!