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Wilf said:
I don't think it was a great idea, though they did it knowing that the majority on the train were pro-Palestine. Probably best if tfl ease past this and let the driver get off with a warning.

Also, I do wonder if the driver would have been suspended if it had been pro-Israeli sentiments. As in I genuinely don't know, but suspect it might have been treated differently given the government's own position,
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I think he'd have been suspended if he'd made pro-Israel statements over the intercom, probably more so given the train was full of people going for a demo where the opposite view was being taken and you could argue he'd put his train at risk.
 
agricola said:
Released apparently, these are the same two who Hamas claimed Israel refused to receive a couple of days ago. Nurit Yitzhak and Yocheved Lifshitz, both elderly ladies from Nir Oz.
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Is one these ladies the one who has dementia who was photos with gun handed to her by hamas?
 
agricola said:
I think he'd have been suspended if he'd made pro-Israel statements over the intercom, probably more so given the train was full of people going for a demo where the opposite view was being taken and you could argue he'd put his train at risk.
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Sorry, I didn't mean on that particular train, so agree with you on that. I was thinking perhaps to a general train in the days after the attack or one where people may have been travelling to the vigil for the Israeli dead.
 
Wilf said:
Sorry, I didn't mean on that particular train, so agree with you on that. I was thinking perhaps to a general train in the days after the attack or one where people may have been travelling to the vigil for the Israeli dead.
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Probably. As an aside, a few years ago I happened to be on a train full of disgruntled Evertonians making their way back to Liverpool, the day after we'd lost in the FA Cup semifinal to that other lot. As we passed Wembley, the guard came on the tannoy and said "now passing Anfield South"; the reaction from the entire train meant that at no point did he check any tickets, or emerge from his hiding-place.
 
Wilf said:
Sorry, I didn't mean on that particular train, so agree with you on that. I was thinking perhaps to a general train in the days after the attack or one where people may have been travelling to the vigil for the Israeli dead.
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I don't think there would have been any response at all if he made pro-Israel statements. Even if on that train.
 
Wilf said:
Sorry, I didn't mean on that particular train, so agree with you on that. I was thinking perhaps to a general train in the days after the attack or one where people may have been travelling to the vigil for the Israeli dead.
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This doesn’t work though. See the march thread. People painting what if scenarios. He should not have made that announcement given the obvious tension around this whole situation. pretty standard employment stuff. He should not be sacked of course. I’d be against that, I’ve said as much on the other thread. And FWIW, I think he would’ve been subject to disciplinary procedure if he had said something pro-Israel such as you outline.
 
xenon said:
This doesn’t work though. See the march thread. People painting what if scenarios. He should not have made that announcement given the obvious tension around this whole situation. pretty standard employment stuff. He should not be sacked of course. I’d be against that, I’ve said as much on the other thread. And FWIW, I think he would’ve been subject to disciplinary procedure if he had said something pro-Israel such as you outline.
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Well, I suspect someone may well get suspended for pro-Israeli sentiments now, to avoid accusations of double standards. However, if that had been up first, I'm not so sure. The government had already backed the action the IDF was about to take, which in turn would have influenced tfl.
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
I don't think it's been posted earlier in this thread although I might be mistaken.

Lowkey has shared a video that was apparently filmed by a householder somewhere within Bury, Greater Manchester, of a police officer knocking on their door to seemingly 'make enquiries' a propos of absolutely nothing (apparently not following up any complaint, just took it upon himself to do so), because they were flying a Palestinian flag from their house - something that is not illegal.

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This is appalling. The guy is right if people walking by don't like it they need to grow a backbone.

And I think this is correct generally. If people don't like someones views well that life. Does not mean that the other person should somehow think they have a genuine grievance and its people putting up Palestinian flags who are insensitive, provocative and generally causing others to have a bad day and making them so distressed with their view on Israel and Palestine.

I wonder if the cop would have knocked on his door if he had an Isreali flag and I Stand by Israel in his window. I think not.

The cop had the typical passive aggressive manner. "Is this your house sir? Did you put up the flag?- Cops just love asking questions so they can store bits of info on one. And then When the guy asks copper can you log this so Im dont have other police knocking on my door about the flag the copper basically says no. And he might get more knocks on his door.

I got the distinct feeling the cop saw the flag and thought it was his duty to go and find out more. Community policing involves having bits of info on people.

In the Cops mind Palestinian flag on house equals the sort of person we should keep and eye on.

When the guy asks cop are you filming you should tell me if you are the cop really didnt like it.

And he was filming. Different topic but there is an issue about camera footage,

Fair play to the guy for keeping his cool and not letting the cop bamboozle him. Having the flag up is "provocative"

Im sick of this mentality were if you have a view on Israel and support Palestinian rights your beyond the pale.
 
Idris2002 said:
A freeze? A fucking freeze of settlements? They killed all those people for a mere freeze?
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Been reading history of Hamas. This sounds like Hamas. They are not ISIS. The demands are secular ones in line with the kinds of things Palestinians across the board would want. They are also pragmatic. Calling for a halt in settlement building is really something the international community should be making Israel do. Its not an unreasonable demand

Palestinian held in jails are not what we in this country would call criminals.

Law in Israeli terms directed towards Palestinians is to keep them in line.

www.aljazeera.com

Why are so many Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails?

One in five Palestinians spends time in Israel jails. Hamas says it wants to exchange captured Israelis for them.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

Calling for release of these people is another reasonable demand.

ie Hamas in these demands are not calling for the destruction of Israel or imposition of a Caliphate etc

One might not like the methods but demands are mainstream Palestinian nationalist ones.


“Their initial demands included the release of all those captured since Friday and hundreds of Palestinians in Israeli jails. They also want a freeze on Jewish settlements in the West Bank and international guarantees that Israel will not launch a ground offensive in Gaza.”
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Gramsci said:
This is appalling. The guy is right if people walking by don't like it they need to grow a backbone.

And I think this is correct generally. If people don't like someones views well that life. Does not mean that the other person should somehow think they have a genuine grievance and its people putting up Palestinian flags who are insensitive, provocative and generally causing others to have a bad day and making them so distressed with their view on Israel and Palestine.

I wonder if the cop would have knocked on his door if he had an Isreali flag and I Stand by Israel in his window. I think not.

The cop had the typical passive aggressive manner. "Is this your house sir? Did you put up the flag?- Cops just love asking questions so they can store bits of info on one. And then When the guy asks copper can you log this so Im dont have other police knocking on my door about the flag the copper basically says no. And he might get more knocks on his door.

I got the distinct feeling the cop saw the flag and thought it was his duty to go and find out more. Community policing involves having bits of info on people.

In the Cops mind Palestinian flag on house equals the sort of person we should keep and eye on.

When the guy asks cop are you filming you should tell me if you are the cop really didnt like it.

And he was filming. Different topic but there is an issue about camera footage,

Fair play to the guy for keeping his cool and not letting the cop bamboozle him. Having the flag up is "provocative"

Im sick of this mentality were if you have a view on Israel and support Palestinian rights your beyond the pale.
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not the same thing but even in north ireland the Removal of "Flegs" is not a police concern


https://www.northernirelandworld.co...ted-in-lurgan-portadown-and-banbridge-4200480

Chief Inspector Brendan Green said: “Within the current statutory framework, the removal of flags is not the responsibility of the Police Service nor do we have a specific power to do so and we will only act to remove flags where there are assessed risks to public safety owing to their erection.
“We are aware that this is a sensitive issue for the whole community. There is no easy solution. There is no community or political consensus on the flags issue and ultimately this requires a political, not a policing resolution.
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never said it was a para military flag ..

more pointing out the bullshite idea of a police knocking on your door for a Palestine flag in england

when they don't worry about flegs in north ireland as its not a police issue

the repercussions of displaying flegs is a bit more widespread in the north
 
10 o'clock news was horrific again. The video footage of the Israeli hostages cowering from gunmen, holding their young kids while off camera lay one of their children already dead. Horrific. The dad still a hostage, the rest of the family thankfully free.
And then the Palestinian journalist reporting live as missiles strike around him, and he's where the Palestinians are supposedly meant to have moved to be safe. Desperate.
 
Bizarre "Whataboutery" Twitter spat between Julia Hartley Brewer and Femi

apologies for drifting off - topic but I thought "Wow"
 
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