Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[andysays]

And you accuse others of misrepresenting you? Your question asked about 'innocent civilians', not 'legitimate targets'. I answered that question in the only way I could - it's complicated. I don't think they are legitimate targets just by dint of being there. If you'd been reading my posts carefully, you'd see that I've already said that.

You said something stupid and inappropriate in the context - 'we're all on settlers' land'. Own it.

You may not have seen his announcement on a different thread, but Danny has said he's stepping back from posting on Urban for a bit.

 

[two sheds]

Sorry to hear that danny la rouge

Always appreciate your posts

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I don't think it's been posted earlier in this thread although I might be mistaken.

Lowkey has shared a video that was apparently filmed by a householder somewhere within Bury, Greater Manchester, of a police officer knocking on their door to seemingly 'make enquiries' a propos of absolutely nothing (apparently not following up any complaint, just took it upon himself to do so), because they were flying a Palestinian flag from their house - something that is not illegal.

 

[Pickman's model]

So you’re not going to answer whether you think civilians are legitimate targets? It’s complicated.

It’s not complicated. Civilians are not legitimate targets.

tbh i do think that in the case of israel it is complicated - i've alluded earlier in the thread that israeli society is much more militarised than our own. the way in which military service is almost universal. the way in which people who have performed military service are on the reserve list. the armed guards at the kibbutzes, for example, indicate a level of militarisation we simply do not have here. the way in which the israeli state has now handed out weapons to a great number of zionists. i'm not saying chopping up babies or other egregious horrors are right. i am saying that like it or not zionist society does not possess the same divide between civilian and non-civilian. so yeh it's not complicated: but it's more nuanced than you suggest.

i know dlr isn't posting atm - and i look forward to seeing him on the boards again soon - but for me this civilian distinction is being promoted by the zionists and their allies as part of their propaganda.

 

[donkyboy]

Israeli military: At least 222 hostages in Gaza​

The number of people confirmed as being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza is now 222, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said.
The figure is in an increase from the 212 thought to have been captured in the 7 October incursion.

Figure mysteriously increasing. Palestinians dying by the bucket load so we better revise the figures...

 

[Spymaster]

Figure mysteriously increasing. Palestinians dying by the bucket load so we better revise the figures...

Yes. That’s the only possible explanation

 

[strung out]

Figure mysteriously increasing. Palestinians dying by the bucket load so we better revise the figures...

One of the reasons is because the human remains from the October 7th attacks were so disfigured and virtually impossible to identify (set on fire, mutilated etc) that they weren't able to determine how many of the missing had been killed, and how many abducted.

 

[donkyboy]

One of the reasons is because the human remains from the October 7th attacks were so disfigured and virtually impossible to identify (set on fire, mutilated etc) that they weren't able to determine how many of the missing had been killed, and how many abducted.

Add the revised figures to:

-babies being beheaded
-Hamas fighters carrying DIY chemical weapons instructions.

They will state anything to keep up support.

 

[strung out]

Add the revised figures to:

-babies being beheaded
-Hamas fighters carrying DIY chemical weapons instructions.

They will state anything to keep up support.

You’re a fucking atrocity denying cunt. Fuck you.

 

[platinumsage]

i am saying that like it or not zionist society does not possess the same divide between civilian and non-civilian.

But there is a divide right? Even if some civilians might have some sort of quasi-military role? Babies are still civilians, right?

If there‘s still a divide you’re really just arguing about numbers, rather than the very concept of the civilian in Israeli society.

for me this civilian distinction is being promoted by the zionists and their allies as part of their propaganda.

 

[Idris2002]

The fact that Israel has universal military service, and the country is on a permanent war footing, needs to be balanced against the obvious unpreparedness the IDF showed on October 7th, and the big question marks over its preparedness for the coming ground war.

Turns out that bullying grannies at checkpoints isn't a great preparation for house-to-house fighting in post-apocalyptic Guffon city.

Turns out, also, that a civilian in uniform is still a civilian. Not that that is any use to the cheerleaders who want this to be a nice and neat black hat/white hat affair.

 

[xenon]

some shameful shit on this thread. E.g. you Donkeyboy, just don’t bother typing a reply.

 

[Pickman's model]

But there is a divide right? Even if some civilians might have some sort of quasi-military role? Babies are still civilians, right?

If there‘s still a divide you’re really just arguing about numbers, rather than the very concept of the civilian in Israeli society.

i don't think you have anything to add to this thread as your stated role on this thread seems to be counter to what you actually submit.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Which is why, with a few credible exceptions like danny la rouge , most posters who can deal in nuance have bowed out of this thread leaving predominately in the hands of the normal headbangers.

How do you find butting the wall? Brain dropped out of your ear yet?

 

[Pickman's model]

How do you find butting the wall? Brain dropped out of your ear yet?

i don't think anyone could describe a380 as one of the normal headbangers

 

[platinumsage]

i don't think you have anything to add to this thread as your stated role on this thread seems to be counter to what you actually submit.

Not sure what you’re on about.

You have made more posts on this thread than anyone else. More than twice as many in fact. I don’t think you’ve learnt anything from it though.

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I? I just feel as if I'm stating facts and trying to keep things neutral

your memory's not what it might be

 

[A380]

In my opinion the behaviour on this thread has cost Urban two long standing excellent posters, ironically from ‘different’ sides of the debate.

Obviously is nothing as compared to the tragedy unfolding in Gaza, the rest of Palestine and Israel, but it is still sad.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

i don't think anyone could describe a380 as one of the normal headbangers

Fair enough, perhaps uniquely for me I apologise a380: perhaps I confused you with A1 or that snake A11

 

[Pickman's model]

Fair enough, perhaps uniquely for me I apologise a380: perhaps I confused you with A1 or that snake A11

a380 always brings to mind a famous torquay resident

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I don't think it's been posted earlier in this thread although I might be mistaken.

Lowkey has shared a video that was apparently filmed by a householder somewhere within Bury, Greater Manchester, of a police officer knocking on their door to seemingly 'make enquiries' a propos of absolutely nothing (apparently not following up any complaint, just took it upon himself to do so), because they were flying a Palestinian flag from their house - something that is not illegal.

Utterly disgraceful waste of police time

 

[Larry O'Hara]

a380 always brings to mind a famous torquay resident

Never saw the camera: I was on holiday after all (and no not with Mark Cotterill!)

 

[Idris2002]

i don't think anyone could describe a380 as one of the normal headbangers

I think Warren Zevon said it best - "I'm gonna bang my head off the wall, because I'd rather feel bad than feel nothing at all".

 

[krtek a houby]

In my opinion the behaviour on this thread has cost Urban to long standing excellent posters, ironically from ‘different’ sides of the debate.

Obviously is nothing as compared to the tragedy unfolding in Gaza, the rest of Palestine and Israel, but it is still sad.

urban has always been at war with urban.

 

[Idris2002]

urban has always been at war with urban.

You urbanites sure are a contentious people.

 

[Rob Ray]

No we aren't, shut up.

 

[Idris2002]

No we aren't, shut up.

you just made an enemy for life

 

[Rob Ray]

Technically I made an enemy for the rest of my life.

 

[krtek a houby]

You urbanites sure are a contentious people.

We are all contentious people now

 

[emanymton]

We are all contentious people now

I'm not.