andysays
Love and solidarity
The story says BTP and TfL - the latter are the employer.
Anyway, this confirms what someone here (apologies, I can't remember who) said about the wisdom of posting such stuff on Xitter.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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The story says BTP and TfL - the latter are the employer.
Anyway, this confirms what someone here (apologies, I can't remember who) said about the wisdom of posting such stuff on Xitter.
agricola
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Not if someone has reported it to them as a hate related incident - although ironically the government has only recently published guidance that makes the recording of non-crime hate incidents of this kind much less likely.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Just read your headline tbh, not the article.
danny la rouge
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I’m fairly up on antisemitic tropes and the Holocaust, having taken an interest in humanity’s darker side, but it’s not one I’d have noticed. So it’s a pretty selective dog whistle if it is one. Which of course it isn’t.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
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Turns out it was true.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
You're flogging a dead horse on this thread unfortunately
teqniq
DisMembered
Very long but imo worthwhile read. Covers a lot of ground already discussed in this thread but offers some new perspectives:
www.lrb.co.uk
Adam Shatz · Vengeful Pathologies · LRB 20 October 2023
The inescapable truth is that Israel cannot extinguish Palestinian resistance by violence, any more than the...
www.lrb.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What would be a better thread?
Guess we will be waiting a long time for pathology reports to come out on the Palestinian children.
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Indeed. It’s unfortunate that people are only interested in the truth when it suits the narrative they already have in their head.
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Yep, fuck the IDF and their murderous bosses.
platinumsage
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People have already made it clear on this thread that sadistic torture of civilians including children is an inevitable consequence of Israel's policy towards Gaza. Evidence of people having their eyes gouged out in front of their kids or whatever isn't going to matter to them - Hamas aren't terrorists and their actions and Jew-hating aren't due to their religion or politics or anything but entirely the fault of Israel. 
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
teqniq
DisMembered
Please direct me to where 'people have already made it clear' otherwise I will be inclined to come to the conclusion that this is all happening inside your head.People have already made it clear on this thread that sadistic torture of civilians including children is an inevitable consequence of Israel's policy towards Gaza. Evidence of people having their eyes gouged out in front of their kids or whatever isn't going to matter to them - Hamas aren't terrorists and their actions and Jew-hating aren't due to their religion or politics or anything but entirely the fault of Israel.
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teqniq
DisMembered
That is an observation, not an endorsement.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Tell everyone to move south, then bomb a UN school. No fucking words.
31 minutes ago MEE
The Israeli military committed 24 "massacres" in Gaza over the past 24 hours, killing at least 266 people, the Palestinian health ministry said on Sunday.
The Palestinian health ministry often uses the word "massacre" to refer to Israeli attacks that leave mass deaths of three people or more in a single air raid.
At least 117 children were among those killed in the Saturday and Sunday strikes, which included the targeting of a UN school for Palestinian refugees and a popular food market.
Israel has killed an average of around 300 Palestinians a day since 7 October, the majority of whom are children, women and elderly people.
31 minutes ago MEE
The Israeli military committed 24 "massacres" in Gaza over the past 24 hours, killing at least 266 people, the Palestinian health ministry said on Sunday.
The Palestinian health ministry often uses the word "massacre" to refer to Israeli attacks that leave mass deaths of three people or more in a single air raid.
At least 117 children were among those killed in the Saturday and Sunday strikes, which included the targeting of a UN school for Palestinian refugees and a popular food market.
Israel has killed an average of around 300 Palestinians a day since 7 October, the majority of whom are children, women and elderly people.
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Gramsci
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Thanks for posting this up.
Ive read a couple of his books. Verso have Ten Myths of Israel on free e book
Free Palestine: A Verso Reading List
Israel has declared a “complete siege” on Gaza and launched hundreds of strikes, following an eruption of unrest in the region over the weekend. The following books offer a history of the occupation, situated in a wider context of anti-colonial struggles around the world. From the River to the...
www.versobooks.com
Watched about a third of this so far. Pappe is very good speaker. Clear and makes his points well. This talk was organised before the latest violence so he has altered it to make it relevant.
A major point so far is the importance of history. As has been pointed out here this conflict did not start on the 7th October.
When discussing the present violence the context is all important. This is not to excuse the violence its to see the historical roots of it.
The context is Zionism and the expulsion of Palestinians from their land.
He makes no bones about calling Zionism itself a racist political theory.
Like Barnaby Raine but without the hyperbole he points out the attack by Hamas on the party goers took place on land that some of the Hamas attackers grandparents would have come from. The local Kibbutz built on land Palestinians lived on. That the outdoor music event was taking place literally next door to an open air prison of Palestinians.
The history of Palestine before the creation of Israel points to a lost different future. Palestinian history of living on this land has been erased.
Just in case posters are not aware Ilan Pappe was born in Israel. Background is German Jews who came to Israel. Due to his anti zionist views and historical work he was no longer able to work in Israel and now works at Exeter University.
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How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
The toy behind Greta is one of those mood octopus things isn't it. You can turn it inside out to be blue or pink to show how you are feeling. It's just a bit of fun for many kids and young adults although I think it has a serious use for some ND people. As I'm sure the person making this tweet well knew.
You didn't say it but you implied it.kabbes was drawing attention to the essential context is all.
teqniq
DisMembered
Yet another observation and no, I am not deflecting. It was you that said:
Which imo implies imo that that some people on here are are endorsing the actions of Hamas, which is not actually the case.People have already made it clear on this thread that sadistic torture of civilians including children is an inevitable consequence of Israel's policy towards Gaza. Evidence of people having their eyes gouged out in front of their kids or whatever isn't going to matter to them - Hamas aren't terrorists and their actions and Jew-hating aren't due to their religion or politics or anything but entirely the fault of Israel.
danny la rouge
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Literally starts with “I have no support for launching an attack that kills hundreds of civilians.”
There is, you see, a huge difference between sympathy for the Palestinian people and sympathy for Hamas.
Just as the Israeli state ≠ the Israeli people (far less Jews worldwide), so Hamas ≠ Palestinians.
Hamas is an authoritarian, far right, extremely reactionary, bloodthirsty, repressive, fundamentalist regime which oppresses Palestinians, executes and tortures gays and others in Gaza, and was the subject of protests in Gaza earlier this year.
But to ignore the actions of the Israeli state over 7 decades would be wilfully obtuse.
platinumsage
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Yes it's always "I don't support the actions of Hamas but..." because the actions of Hamas terrorists and their world-view are an inevitable consequence of Israel existing. The baby be-headers have an excuse.
I'm pretty sure it's possible to have a critical view of Israeli policy whilst also appreciating the terrorists have their own agency and that a desire to torture Jews and wipe them off the map isn't dependent on a right-wing government in the Knesset.
danny la rouge
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It’s “always” that? Can you show me anywhere here that it’s that? Because I’d condemn it too.
danny la rouge
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And while we’re at it, I find the enthusiasm for Palestinian nationalism embarrassing and depressing. I know where it comes from: the same simplistic world view that produced all the Ukrainian flags in social media biogs. Yeah, yeah, it’s a shorthand, but it’s a shorthand that perpetrates one of the causes of these conflicts. Nationalism.
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There were a few on here who didn’t even go as far as saying ‘I don’t support the actions of Hamas’.
Eg: ‘Yes I know there will be bloodshed. But they've broken out of the prison. Fuck yes! I could weep I'm so delighted.’
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