Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[tim]

Like a thousand bonfire nights in 1

Iran is in the fray,as they arm Hamas and Hezbollah.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I really hope Labour fuck up their chances at the next General election. They do not deserve to win. I could see there being a very low turn out at least.

I hope they win, warts and all they’re still better than the Tories.

 

[two sheds]

Couple of pieces of shit, eh.

Outrage as Shapps and Dowden laugh during Sunak’s answers on Hamas attack ‘pogrom’

Calls for apology as behaviour of cabinet ministers condemned as ‘completely unacceptable’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

I hope they win, warts and all they’re still better than the Tories.

You're wilfully ignorant

 

[teqniq]

All the while this is in place - and it would likely be difficult indeed to undo, there will be no arms embargo on Israel from the UK (it would have been difficult before this but even more so now).

Israel, Britain Sign Secret Military Agreement

Details of new Israel-Britain defense agreement 'highly classified'; IDF, UK armed forces wish to integrate military capabilities, says think tank.

israelradar.com

 

[tim]

I'm sure that's the case, my point is it could well be wishful thinking, tanks on the lawn, "lessons in power" or not. Israel is under control of psychopaths whose lifes work is to ethnically cleanse the land within the borders of Israel.

More psychopath rubbish! Neither Hamas not the Israeli Government is led by psychopaths. They are politicians with political strategies and objectives.

 

[PTK]

DOS is possible but could simply be it's getting more traffic than usual and their server can't cope.

This website palestinecampaign.org/ is currently offline. Cloudflare's Always Online™ shows a snapshot of this web page from the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. To check for the live version, click Refresh.

 

[Pickman's model]

More psychopath rubbish! Neither Hamas not the Israeli Government is led by psychopaths. They are politicians with political strategies objectives.

How's about this from 2019? Odeh: Netanyahu is a ‘dangerous psychopath’ targeting Arabs, left-wing Jews

 

[TopCat]

This is a really good article in the Guardian going through the timeline of thirty plus years and how and why things are as they are. I disagree with a fair bit of the spin but not the timeline and it’s a rare piece for that paper to put out as it focuses on facts.

I really think it’s worth a read. Especially for those lucky enough to be a lot younger than me.

The danger of leaving things be: how the world ‘failed miserably’ in the Middle East

Amid Israel’s turn to the right and the resurgence of armed groups in the Palestinian territories, recent horrific events highlight the dangers of diplomatic inaction

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mr.Bishie]

What’s the hint?

Israel-Gaza latest: IDF unveils 'Hamas hideout' under hospital; Cameron visits site of deadly attack in Israel

The Israel Defence Forces has unveiled what it claims is a major Hamas military facility underneath Gaza's biggest hospital. Meanwhile, the UK foreign secretary is in Israel, where he is meeting officials.

news.sky.com

 

[TopCat]

What to make of this -

Israel-Gaza latest: IDF unveils 'Hamas hideout' under hospital; Cameron visits site of deadly attack in Israel

The Israel Defence Forces has unveiled what it claims is a major Hamas military facility underneath Gaza's biggest hospital. Meanwhile, the UK foreign secretary is in Israel, where he is meeting officials.

news.sky.com

Well the last time they went in after that huge bombardment they didn’t stay long. Easier politically to flatten large parts of Gaza. Gas the tunnels they find, possibly rescue a few of the captured then get the fuck out.

This would possibly satisfy political opinion at home and not be so heinous (in Israeli eyes) as to draw in Hezbollah. The latter are surely equipped now in a way they were not in 2006.

 

[Knotted]

One thing occurs to me. If they've transferred most of the population to the south, how are they going to attack Hamas in the south without massive civilian casualties? And I think I've just answered my own question.

 

[tim]

How's about this from 2019? Odeh: Netanyahu is a ‘dangerous psychopath’ targeting Arabs, left-wing Jews

Netanyahu is not the Israeli government. Moreover, anyone be they ska invita or a political opponent making a diagnosis of psychopathy based on a half remember Jin Ronqson documentary from 15 years ago should not be taken seriously.

If ska invita can give evidence of having the medical expertise and access to Netanyahu in a clinical context, I might retract but would probably ask for a second opinion first.

 

[phildwyer]

Farah in early years did look at one state solution.

With the acceptance of two state solution this was set aside. Now it's clear that two state solution is never going to happen article says to revisit the original conception

The problem with a two-state solution is that it just replicates the original problem. There'd be two ethno-states instead of one.

 

[Knotted]

Netanyahu is not the Israeli government. Moreover, anyone be they ska invita or a political opponent making a diagnosis of psychopathy based on a half remember Jin Ronqson documentary from 15 years ago should not be taken seriously.

If ska invita can give evidence of having the medical expertise and access to Netanyahu in a clinical context, I might retract but would probably ask for a second opinion first.

I don't think ska invita was entirely serious.

Can I just suggest that everyone consider whether the point they're making is really worth it before hitting the post reply button. (not just Tim)

 

[brogdale]

Guardian story about the corrupt, racist rapists harassing the family of a surgeon working in Gaza. FFS

 

[brogdale]

Thick cunts doing Braverman's bidding...

 

[tim]

I don't think ska invita was entirely serious.

Can I just suggest that everyone consider whether the point they're making is really worth it before hitting the post reply button. (not just Tim)

I don't know how serious they were or were not. However, I'm not impressed by anyone giving uniformed medical diagnosis, or by the implicit racism and Orientalism of claiming that Jews or Arabs or a certain groups of Jews or Arabs are psychopaths.

 

[phildwyer]

Guardian story about the corrupt, racist rapists harassing the family of a surgeon working in Gaza. FFS

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The British police doing Israel's dirty work. It can't go on.

 

[tim]

The British police doing Israel's dirty work. It can't go on.

It will, as I fear will you

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't know how serious they were or were not. However, I'm not impressed by anyone giving uniformed medical diagnosis, or by the implicit racism and Orientalism of claiming that Jews or Arabs or a certain groups of Jews or Arabs are psychopaths.

Few people here including perhaps kebabking are really in a position of giving uniformed opinions of any sort.

 

[phildwyer]

Few prople here including perhaps kebabking are really in a position of giving uniformed opinions of any sort.

Silly prople.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I don't think ska invita was entirely serious.

Can I just suggest that everyone consider whether the point they're making is really worth it before hitting the post reply button. (not just Tim)

He can’t: thats why I have Tim on ignore…

 

[Pickman's model]

Silly prople.

You've the eye of a hawk
Pity you use it for such piddling posts

 

[Larry O'Hara]

The British police doing Israel's dirty work. It can't go on.

But it will of course

 

[Pickman's model]

The British police doing Israel's dirty work. It can't go on.

It can
And no doubt you can and will

 

[phildwyer]

But it will of course

So it seems. But why? Why is the UK so heavily committed to Israel? What benefit do we gain from it?

 

[Pickman's model]

So it seems. But why? Why is the UK so heavily committed to Israel? What benefit do we gain from it?

Are you living in the UK now?

 

[phildwyer]

Are you living in the UK now?

As much as anywhere.

 

[Sue]

'Hackney Council is facing a backlash from pro-Palestinian campaigners after describing the words ‘Free Palestine’ as “antisemitic”.

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Hackney Council did not respond when asked to explain why it considers the words ‘Free Palestine’ to be antisemitic."

Hackney Council sparks backlash from pro-Palestinian campaigners after removing ‘antisemitic’ graffiti

Palestine Solidarity Campaign condemns Middle East violence as it questions Town Hall’s response to the words ‘Free Palestine’

www.hackneycitizen.co.uk