Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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Bingoman
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BBC news are reporting that quite a lot of nationals including from France, Nepal and the UK to name just a few have been killed in the attacksSome Brit serving in Israel killed. What was he doing serving in an occupying force?
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Some Brit serving in Israel killed. What was he doing serving in an occupying force?
Being Jewish and living in Israel it seems. British passport holders are not required to remain on this island.
Some Brit serving in Israel killed. What was he doing serving in an occupying force?
Plenty of Jews from outside Israel serve in the IDF.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sure Britons don't have to leave the UK to serve in an occupying forceSome Brit serving in Israel killed. What was he doing serving in an occupying force?
tim
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I think they do or did as volunteers not conscripts . People were certainly moaning about them doing so during my two weeks with the League of Jaffa Arabs back in 1989 (I can compete in the direct experience League wi Larry and WD 40. Druze are conscripted into the army
tim
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Some people have dual nationality.Some Brit serving in Israel killed. What was he doing serving in an occupying force?
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
I often feel I am, it's just my exceptional modesty stops me making a big deal out of it.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Reasons why the Mail are scum #7385
This is clearly not a Labour Party event despite the headline
Hamas is APPLAUDED at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as activist… Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event via https://dailym.ai/android
This is clearly not a Labour Party event despite the headline
Hamas is APPLAUDED at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as activist… Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event via https://dailym.ai/android
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Some Brit serving in Israel killed. What was he doing serving in an occupying force?
The Israeli commander dude interviewed on ch4 news last night sounded Scottish.
Have a word with yourself lad.
mojo pixy
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It's worth noting that virtually the entire adult population of Israel 1. have had military basic training, 2. at some point did three years' military service and 3. are military reservists and can be mobilised. IIRC any military reservist without a criminal record is legally allowed to keep firearms at home. "The IDF" isn't just the people in uniform today, it's potentially just about everyone. Apart from North Korea I think Israel is one of the most militarised nations on Earth. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking it's some kind of 'western' country where freedom and democracy reign. In Israel, security explicitly beats both democracy and freedom, and if push comes to shove (that phrase again) you literally won't believe what happens next.
But that's just like, my opinion man.
But that's just like, my opinion man.
Flavour
hang the bankers
The thing is, as impressive as the hamas attack is logistically, we all know they can't sustain offensive action outside Gaza for very long.
Defending gaza if israel invade on the ground is another thing of course.
But Israel have shut off the electricity and will just bomb it endlessly for weeks.
Knotted enjoying a little fantasy of the destruction of Israel I see. Nice
Defending gaza if israel invade on the ground is another thing of course.
But Israel have shut off the electricity and will just bomb it endlessly for weeks.
Knotted enjoying a little fantasy of the destruction of Israel I see. Nice
teqniq
DisMembered
An archived verrsion so as to deny the scumbags revenue from webtraffic and clicks:
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom' - while ex-party leader Jeremy Corbyn refuses to condemn terror group
You are right, the headline is a lie (surprise surprise) as anyone who can be bothered to read further finds:
Yossarian
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I was surprised to read that only around 2% of Israelis own guns, compared to around 30% of Americans, and the country long had quite tight gun control laws, though they were loosened a few years ago and loosened again earlier this year
Israeli gun ownership rising as violence surges
Israel's new right-wing government has loosened gun laws in response to deadly attacks.
www.bbc.com
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I saw something claiming that the Israelis had been watching them train in these for EIGHT YEARS, but that one seemed to be at least partly a LIHOP conspiraloon (LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose).
Re: paragliders -
"In addition to the miniature UAVs, Hamas is training its soldiers to use
other airborne weapons. A Hamas soldier with the rank of squad commander
told the Israel Security Agency in his interrogation that he had been selected in
2010 for a special force that was sent to Malaysia for training on paragliders
in preparation for terrorist attacks penetrating Israel. Ten other soldiers from
various battalions who had trained there for a week in lying paragliders
were with him. In 2014, the soldier, together with the others who had been
trained with him, were summoned for additional paraglider training, this
time in the Gaza Strip."
From here;
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Before this pleasant episode erupted, it looked like Israel was being torn apart by the social and political divisions over Bibi's new courts thing. This attack is going to boost feelings of unity. . . for a time. How long a time?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
It's seemed lately like humans are in a mood for giant world war. I hope I'm wrong. 
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
It's a small population but nearly all of them have army training and experience. People may leave but you can be sure many will return to defend their families. They also have training and experience. So far history shows Israel can simultaneously take on all its neighbours and win. "Nobody knows" if they have nukes but they probably do. All in all I don't think it's wise to underestimate what that country might do if its leaders provoke a sense of existential threat.
Gramsci
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Here is Zelensky statement in full:
Ukraine’s Zelensky on ‘horrible’ Hamas attack: ‘Israel’s right to self-defense is unquestionable’
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www.timesofisrael.com
Yes agree its completely one sided. Shows at least an ignorance about this conflict. Yes agree you would have thought as someone whose country is under partial occupation by larger country that he would at least get it that Israel has treated Palestinians badly. Taking their land.
Does anyone now if he has questioned Israels actions at any point in last years?
There's a core point your making that's fine but what that means in practice is speculation. This is going to turn into a pure war of offense so it's not as if they are facing an existential threat.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The thing with intelligence is you can have all the info you like but if people up the chain don't like it or it doesn't get put together or the politicians poo-poo it then its an intelligence failure. I'm sure in whatever inquiry the zionists have after this it'll become clear all manner of signs were seen and information at least on the radar of mossad etc
Flavour
hang the bankers
That's a key question. Once hamas's ability to attack Israel has been completely stopped (no more rocket launches, nothing) the appetite for offensive action will rapidly deterieoiate.
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