Kemi Badenoch discussion

[Spymaster]

However, it is important to highlight just how "filthy", ill-informed and dangerous Badenoch's views on race are.

That doesn't excuse PR1Berske , who is doubling down on his shit.

 

[PR1Berske]

However, it is important to highlight just how "filthy", ill-informed and dangerous Badenoch's views on race are. Intervened by Fraser Nelson, at her old workplace of The Spectator, she gave this wilfully stupid response when asked about structural/institutional racism in the UK:

That's one of the quotes I've been trying to find, to back up my point. Kemi said something similar to Dawn Butler in the Commons about the Labour Party's attitude (as she saw it) towards politicians from different backgrounds.

 

[brogdale]

That doesn't excuse PR1Berske , who is doubling down on his shit.

They can speak for themselves.

 

[brogdale]

That's one of the quotes I've been trying to find, to back up my point. Kemi said something similar to Dawn Butler in the Commons about the Labour Party's attitude (as she saw it) towards politicians from different backgrounds.

Badenoch.

 

[brogdale]

That's one of the quotes I've been trying to find, to back up my point. Kemi said something similar to Dawn Butler in the Commons about the Labour Party's attitude (as she saw it) towards politicians from different backgrounds.

She did; it's all of a piece.

 

[Spymaster]

That's one of the quotes I've been trying to find, to back up my point.

Your point that a black woman is weaponising her skin colour?

You really want to back that up?

 

[Spymaster]

Are you calling me racist now

"I'm not a racist, I just make racist comments".

 

[brogdale]

Your point that a black woman is weaponising her skin colour?

You really want to back that up?

Dunno about the term weaponising, but it is evident from Badenoch's culture warfare that she is willing to invoke her skin colour when seeking to close down/delegitimise progressive discourse and when promoting conservative cultural war:

I ask her about a recent story concerning the V&A, whose guidance for employees defines ‘black’ as ‘a term that embraces people who experience structural and institutional racism because of their skin colour’. ‘This is to politicise my skin colour,’ Badenoch says.

and



But you know this already, right?

 

[Spymaster]

Dunno about the term weaponising, but it is evident from Badenoch's culture warfare that she is willing to invoke her skin colour when seeking to close down/delegitimise progressive discourse and when promoting conservative cultural war:

And what?

When Diane Abbot talks about her experiences as a black woman growing up amidst racism is she weaponising her heritage or providing valuable insight that others lack? Badenoch is doing nothing different; she's just expounding experiences and povs that you and the revolting PR1Berske character disagree with.

Just accept that PoC have different life experiences that can add value and they are perfectly at liberty to raise them.

That Berske turd is railing against Badenoch mentioning that Labour had fallen way short when it comes to its treatment/promotion of politicians of colour. She's absolutely right.

Surprised to see you pitching in for him on this of all things. I thought you said he could speak for himself? He's singularly failing to do that.

 

[PR1Berske]

I've been reflecting on this thread, because despite the best efforts of some users, I do reflect on things, and brogdale has helped. I did use clumsy and badly phrased language in my original post: Kemi uses the language of the left, in relation to race, as a weapon, turning their attitudes against them. I used the gerund without considering what that suggested when read written down.

 

[Spymaster]

Kemi uses the language of the left, in relation to race, as a weapon, turning their attitudes against them.

That’s no better you ignorant fuckwit.

She’s absolutely entitled to bring up her race or colour if she thinks it’s relevant and who the fuck are you to say otherwise?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

However, it is important to highlight just how "filthy", ill-informed and dangerous Badenoch's views on race are. Intervened by Fraser Nelson, at her old workplace of The Spectator, she gave this wilfully stupid response when asked about structural/institutional racism in the UK:

Do you think that's wilfully stupid, though? I agree with you that Badenoch says a lot of things that are really unhelpful wrt racism, but that particular bit sounds like a pretty honest response to me, tbh. We don't get to tell her how she should feel about something like that. Isn't that a basic thing?

 

[Lotte]

Kemi herself has used this point of view as a weapon. I remember her going toe-to-toe with Dawn Butler on the contrast between Labour attitude towards people of colour, and the Tories (effectively, "they only see black people as victims, we get on with achieving and ambition", that sort of thing.)

In this era of the culture wars, this sort of argument is going to get worse. krtek a houby is right, Kemi will weaponise her background to turn racism accusations onto the accuser, it won't be pretty.

She did it with Tennant. Accusing him of racism even though he never mentioned her being black once.

 

[skyscraper101]

Can we stop calling her Kemi please.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've been reflecting on this thread, because despite the best efforts of some users, I do reflect on things, and brogdale has helped. I did use clumsy and badly phrased language in my original post: Kemi uses the language of the left, in relation to race, as a weapon, turning their attitudes against them. I used the gerund without considering what that suggested when read written down.

And you call her kemi because...

 

[brogdale]

Do you think that's wilfully stupid, though? I agree with you that Badenoch says a lot of things that are really unhelpful wrt racism, but that particular bit sounds like a pretty honest response to me, tbh. We don't get to tell her how she should feel about something like that. Isn't that a basic thing?

Yes, I do think her response, in this case, wilfully stupid. The questioner clearly contextualised the issue in an attempt to define being black in the institutionalised racism of the UK. In an attempt to discredit this aspect of what she defines as CRT, she immediately went for the straw man argument of being black in Africa.

 

[andysays]

Having a pop at a person of colour for how they approach the nefandous badenoch isn't a good look.

I'm not sure that simply because someone is a person of colour that criticisms of their approach to Badenoch are necessarily not appropriate.

I'm still suspicious of the OP's motives in this thread, most recently in their changing her first name from Kemi to Kylie, and the fact that they are apparently a PoC doesn't really alter that.

That said, I think PR1B's comment in post #195 also deserved to be challenged.

 

[brogdale]

She did it with Tennant. Accusing him of racism even though he never mentioned her being black once.

Yes, this.

When conducting culture war for the right against the ‘woke’ she says anyone arguing against her position is politicising her skin colour, and yet when lashing out at Tennant, she does just that. Utter hypocrisy.

 

[Spymaster]

She did it with Tennant. Accusing him of racism even though he never mentioned her being black once.

She did not accuse him of racism. The exchange is quoted above somewhere.

She said some stupid shit in response to Tennant saying "until Kemi Badenoch (clumsily but spitefully referring to her role as Minister for Equality) doesn't exist any more ... I wish she'd shut up ..."

It was an exchange regarding equality and her response was to have a pop back saying he'd attacked "the only black woman in Parliament", which she was.

Weaponising her blackness in your books?

Ffs.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes, this.

When conducting culture war for the right against the ‘woke’ she says anyone arguing against her position is politicising her skin colour, and yet when lashing out at Tennant, she does just that. Utter hypocrisy.

See above. You're being piss-poor with this.

Depressing to think you might be cut from the same cloth as PR1Berske.

 

[brogdale]

See above. You're being piss-poor with this.

Depressing to think you might be cut from the same cloth as PR1Berske.

No, but your knee-jerk defence of Badenoch’s shameful hypocrisy is clouding you ability to offer any coherent argument.

 

[Spymaster]

No, but your knee-jerk defence of Badenoch’s shameful hypocrisy is clouding you ability to offer any coherent argument.

Except it isn't, is it.

Both you and Lotte have completely misrepresented the Badenoch/Tennant exchange as an accusation of racism/politicising skin colour. Again, replace Badenoch with Abbott and take a look at yourselves.

If Badenoch was a socialist you'd be calling Tennant a bigot for publicly telling the black woman Equality Minister to shut up about her views on equality.

You're the fucking hypocrites.

 

[editor]

Can we stop calling her Kemi please.

'Tory scum' works for me.

 

[Sasaferrato]

'Tory scum' works for me.

Are 'Labour scum' a better class of scum?

 

[planetgeli]

Are 'Labour scum' a better class of scum?

Same same

 

[DotCommunist]

Are 'Labour scum' a better class of scum?

cheaper to buy but essentially yes. Labour scum smells of institutional lemon scented cleaner and sounds like a hostile announcement from a loudspeaker in a trainstation. Tory scum smells of gout, blood and sounds like the sort of braying you imagine still exists in the East India Club after the port has been passed rightwards.

 

[editor]

Are 'Labour scum' a better class of scum?

They're awful but still not as bad as Tory scum.

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I alone in recalling dick emery's catchphrase?

 

[PR1Berske]

And you call her kemi because...

.... that's her first name? Genuinely not sure why that's a problem, hand on heart don't have a clue.

 

[nino_savatte]

It is kind of depressing how it's the Tories who could have their first black female leader and not Labour. Every single Labour leader has been a white man.

Tbf, Labour has had two white female interim leaders.