Kemi Badenoch discussion

[Serge Forward]

tbf you're cherry-picking a bit there to find someone you like. The general statement made about the specific organisation those colours represent is accurate enough. The WSPU as run by Sylvia's mum and sister was all the things IAF says it was. It specifically did not advocate for universal suffrage, for example. It wanted poor men and women kept off the electoral register.

Also relevant to note that the WSPU was not the mainstream of the women's suffrage movement. Far more people were involved with the self-described 'suffragists' led by Millicent Fawcett. Arguably Fawcett's movement was far more influential in producing change (and she didn't abandon the movement in order to shame young men into sending themselves off to war either).

Yes, I am indeed cherry picking, but that was in response to an over generalisation. Yes, the WSPU was pretty reactionary in many ways, but it had its revolutionary elements.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes, I am indeed cherry picking, but that was in response to an over generalisation. Yes, the WSPU was pretty reactionary in many ways, but it had its revolutionary elements.

We're necessarily talking broad strokes here when we refer to the symbolism of flags or colours. If someone displays the colours of the WSPU in their social media, are they demonstrating some kind of affiliation or kinship with (a) a revolutionary movement or (b) a reactionary movement? In this case, the answer clear. It is (b).

 

[Serge Forward]

We're necessarily talking broad strokes here when we refer to the symbolism of flags or colours. If someone displays the colours of the WSPU in their social media, are they demonstrating some kind of affiliation or kinship with (a) a revolutionary movement or (b) a reactionary movement? In this case, the answer clear. It is (b).

Yes, agreed.

 

[Lotte]

The white feather thing hasn't stopped, given how many Mumsnetters moan about how the younger generation are all cowardly woke snowflakes who wouldn't cope in a war. Makes me wonder why they aren't all eagerly joining the forces if they like war so much.

 

[InArduisFouette]

The white feather thing hasn't stopped, given how many Mumsnetters moan about how the younger generation are all cowardly woke snowflakes who wouldn't cope in a war. Makes me wonder why they aren't all eagerly joining the forces if they like war so much.

It's like the boomers moaning about national service , no boomer undertook national service the youngest men to undertake national service under the 1948 act were born in September 1939 , the rump of national service in the period 1957 / 59 to 63 was made up of men born before October 1939 who had applied for and recieved deferments on the basis of being in education or training and wanting to complete that before their service

 

[krtek a houby]

The white feather thing hasn't stopped, given how many Mumsnetters moan about how the younger generation are all cowardly woke snowflakes who wouldn't cope in a war. Makes me wonder why they aren't all eagerly joining the forces if they like war so much.

Perhaps they see themselves as the vanguard of the culture wars?

(A guess on my part, know little about the site, never been there)

 

[GarveyLives]

But you have a problem with her name?

Who had 'using black people's full names is racist' on their card?

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[GarveyLives]

An insight into the "WhatsApp community of people who want the Conservatives to elect the first black female leader of a political party in Britain's history":

Kylie Badenoch’s fans exchange 'racist' WhatsApp messages - including about Rishi Sunak

 

[brogdale]

An insight into the "WhatsApp community of people who want the Conservatives to elect the first black female leader of a political party in Britain's history":

Kylie Badenoch’s fans exchange 'racist' WhatsApp messages - including about Rishi Sunak

Wot, the vermin are racists?

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Kylie?

 

[Lotte]

It is kind of depressing how it's the Tories who could have their first black female leader and not Labour. Every single Labour leader has been a white man.

 

[brogdale]

Kylie?

Better the Devil you.....

 

[PTK]

It is kind of depressing how it's the Tories who could have their first black female leader and not Labour. Every single Labour leader has been a white man.

Well, people in the Labour Party had the chance to vote for a Black female leader, but most did not. Then some of those who did not used the fact that there had not been a Black female leader as an argument against Jeremy Corbyn five years later.

 

[krtek a houby]

It is kind of depressing how it's the Tories who could have their first black female leader and not Labour. Every single Labour leader has been a white man.

Also depressing that her leadership will be trumpeted as how progressive the Tories are, when they are anything of the sort.

 

[PR1Berske]

It is kind of depressing how it's the Tories who could have their first black female leader and not Labour. Every single Labour leader has been a white man.

Kemi herself has used this point of view as a weapon. I remember her going toe-to-toe with Dawn Butler on the contrast between Labour attitude towards people of colour, and the Tories (effectively, "they only see black people as victims, we get on with achieving and ambition", that sort of thing.)

In this era of the culture wars, this sort of argument is going to get worse. krtek a houby is right, Kemi will weaponise her background to turn racism accusations onto the accuser, it won't be pretty.

 

[Spymaster]

Kemi herself has used this point of view as a weapon. I remember her going toe-to-toe with Dawn Butler on the contrast between Labour attitude towards people of colour, and the Tories (effectively, "they only see black people as victims, we get on with achieving and ambition", that sort of thing.)

In this era of the culture wars, this sort of argument is going to get worse. krtek a houby is right, Kemi will weaponise her background to turn racism accusations onto the accuser, it won't be pretty.

Automatically assuming that a black woman is going to weaponise her skin colour in “culture wars”. Wow.

If Diane Abbot had become the Labour leader and someone suggested that she would weaponise her colour, the howls of RACISM from tits like you would be deafening.

 

[Spymaster]

I suggested at the start that the naming of this thread was suss and needed clarification. It's morphed into a quasi ".... time's up" thread without any reference to her background, only her gaffs and extremism. I agree on the general principle that starting a thread with her name in full speaks of barely disguised innuendo, though the contents of the thread have moved away from whatever the OP was trying to do.

But you’re quite happy to post about her “weaponising” her blackness.

The mask slips, you hypocritical turd.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suggested at the start that the naming of this thread was suss and needed clarification. It's morphed into a quasi ".... time's up" thread without any reference to her background, only her gaffs and extremism. I agree on the general principle that starting a thread with her name in full speaks of barely disguised innuendo, though the contents of the thread have moved away from whatever the OP was trying to do.

Time up threads don't require a defence to backgrounds for other people, and if posting up someone's full name is suss for you it's certainly not for me. I don't imagine you'd object to eg a similarly titled thread or thread with similar content about Stephen Yaxley-Lennon or charles philip arthur george mountbatten-windsor. There's something sly and underhand about you, and as Spymaster says your mask is slipping

 

[tim]

Kemi herself has used this point of view as a weapon. I remember her going toe-to-toe with Dawn Butler on the contrast between Labour attitude towards people of colour, and the Tories (effectively, "they only see black people as victims, we get on with achieving and ambition", that sort of thing.)

In this era of the culture wars, this sort of argument is going to get worse. krtek a houby is right, Kemi will weaponise her background to turn racism accusations onto the accuser, it won't be pretty.

If the Labour Party wasn't racist this wouldn't be an issue.

Also why Kemi? Presumably, she's not a friend any more than Boris was; stick to Badenoch.

 

[Pickman's model]

Kemi herself has used this point of view as a weapon. I remember her going toe-to-toe with Dawn Butler on the contrast between Labour attitude towards people of colour, and the Tories (effectively, "they only see black people as victims, we get on with achieving and ambition", that sort of thing.)

In this era of the culture wars, this sort of argument is going to get worse. krtek a houby is right, Kemi will weaponise her background to turn racism accusations onto the accuser, it won't be pretty.

it'll be more lies from your chum kemi

 

[PR1Berske]

Time up threads don't require a defence to backgrounds for other people, and if posting up someone's full name is suss for you it's certainly not for me. I don't imagine you'd object to eg a similarly titled thread or thread with similar content about Stephen Yaxley-Lennon or charles philip arthur george mountbatten-windsor. There's something sly and underhand about you, and as Spymaster says your mask is slipping

Well that's complete rubbish but thanks for the armchair diagnosis.

 

[PR1Berske]

I mean, I've been successful in getting colleagues reprimanded for prejudicial language and have been resolutely against racism to such an extent that I've been labelled all things under the sun (including being "too liberal for my own good") but hey ho. Misrepresentation of what I stand for is nothing new!

 

[tim]

Sekf

I mean, I've been successful in getting colleagues reprimanded for prejudicial language and have been resolutely against racism to such an extent that I've been labelled all things under the sun (including being "too liberal for my own good") but hey ho. Misrepresentation of what I stand for is nothing new!

Self pity never looks good.

 

[krtek a houby]

Kemi herself has used this point of view as a weapon. I remember her going toe-to-toe with Dawn Butler on the contrast between Labour attitude towards people of colour, and the Tories (effectively, "they only see black people as victims, we get on with achieving and ambition", that sort of thing.)

In this era of the culture wars, this sort of argument is going to get worse. krtek a houby is right, Kemi will weaponise her background to turn racism accusations onto the accuser, it won't be pretty.

Not to get into an argument, but thats not exactly what I said

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean, I've been successful in getting colleagues reprimanded for prejudicial language and have been resolutely against racism to such an extent that I've been labelled all things under the sun (including being "too liberal for my own good") but hey ho. Misrepresentation of what I stand for is nothing new!

It would have been better if instead of getting colleagues reprimanded you'd confronted the views behind the prejudicial language. A silent racist is a racist nonetheless. And being too liberal for your own good just means you're a liberal which is nothing great to aspire to.

 

[Spymaster]

I mean, I've been successful in getting colleagues reprimanded for prejudicial language ...

Yet here you are doing it yourself. Disgusting.

You seem to think that the fact that KB is a Tory, excuses your filthy comments regarding her background. It doesn't.

Maybe get your own house in order before grassing colleagues?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well that's complete rubbish but thanks for the armchair diagnosis.

Having a pop at a person of colour for how they approach the nefandous badenoch isn't a good look.

 

[brogdale]

Yet here you are doing it yourself. Disgusting.

You seem to think that the fact that KB is a Tory, excuses your filthy comments regarding her background. It doesn't.

Maybe get your own house in order before grassing colleagues?

However, it is important to highlight just how "filthy", ill-informed and dangerous Badenoch's views on race are. Intervened by Fraser Nelson, at her old workplace of The Spectator, she gave this wilfully stupid response when asked about structural/institutional racism in the UK:

I ask her about a recent story concerning the V&A, whose guidance for employees defines ‘black’ as ‘a term that embraces people who experience structural and institutional racism because of their skin colour’. ‘This is to politicise my skin colour,’ Badenoch says. ‘The logical conclusion of what they’re saying is that people in Africa who are not discriminated against on the basis of their race are not really black. It is associating being black with negativity, oppression and victimhood in an inescapable way. It’s creating a prison for black people.’

 

[PR1Berske]

It would have been better if instead of getting colleagues reprimanded you'd confronted the views behind the prejudicial language. A silent racist is a racist nonetheless. And being too liberal for your own good just means you're a liberal which is nothing great to aspire to.

Are you calling me racist now

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you calling me racist now

If the cap fits...