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I'm sure I heard her on Sunday saying how immigrants should agree with British values, or words to that effect.

This "British values" shite gets right on my tits. The UK is not one massive hivemind, and there is a massive spectrum of "values" among the population.

She's obviously only mixed with people who share her vile "values" and needs to get out more.
 
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fairly accurate tbf
 
It's genuinely depressing how, no matter how much Badenoch kisses up to the far right, they still won't accept her. I hate her, but attack her for her politics, not because she's black.

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As an aside; wtf? Punisher logo with genderqueer colours. So that's like a tribe or something on mumsnet?

What hateful people.

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As an aside; wtf? Punisher logo with genderqueer colours. So that's like a tribe or something on mumsnet?

What hateful fucks.

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They're the Suffragette movement colours, lots of 'GC' accounts have adopted this on twitter. But actually, a lot of them, when you start to look at their wider postings, have some very limited or 'odd' feminist positions (on abortion rights, etc) and seem to singlely consider being anti-trans/trans-critical as the most important consideration for womens rights. Many are simply conservative and right-wing on many other things.
 
They're the Suffragette movement colours, lots of 'GC' accounts have adopted this on twitter. But actually, a lot of them, when you start to look at their wider postings, have some very limited or 'odd' feminist positions (on abortion rights, etc) and seem to singlely consider being anti-trans/trans-critical as the most important consideration for womens rights. Many are simply conservative and right-wing on many other things.
Yeah it's the TERF and TERF-adjacent attempt to reclaim the suffragette colours. See also the dinosaur emoji for some reason.
 
They're the Suffragette movement colours, lots of 'GC' accounts have adopted this on twitter. But actually, a lot of them, when you start to look at their wider postings, have some very limited or 'odd' feminist positions (on abortion rights, etc) and seem to singlely consider being anti-trans/trans-critical as the most important consideration for womens rights. Many are simply conservative and right-wing on many other things.
Hmmm. So would no doubt be frothing that I didn't recognise the Suffragette colours. (Which tbf is a bit shit of me).
 
Hmmm. So would no doubt be frothing that I didn't recognise the Suffragette colours. (Which tbf is a bit shit of me).

the genderqueer flag (yes i did have to go and look it up) is lavender rather than purple - and horizontal not vertical stripes.

not that i object in any way to people finding identities that fit, but i sometimes feel like round the end of the soviet union, and every week or so there's a new flag and you think 'where the heck's that?'
 
mis appropriation of the Suffragette colours

given the suffrggettes were classit, racist and not about equality it fits quite well with TERFery
Many were, and hideously so, but you're seriously over-generalising. Sylvia Pankhurst and the Women's Dreadnought side of the movement (later Workers' Dreadnought then Communist Party BSTI) were further "left" than pretty much every political organisation or movement since (outside of revolutionary anarchists, left and libertarian communists).
 
Badenoch, like much of the new right, lives in a conspiracist mindset. They observe progressive social change on race, gender, rights etc and because this has affected most classes and occupations (pretty much the definition of progressive social change) they jump to the conclusion that this is a deliberate, nefarious process ( sometimes using the often anti-Semitic phrase “cultural Marxism”) Hence, moves to align governments and businesses with the prevailing social mores of the majority of those who work in them are signs of “leftist infiltration” and attempted “mind control”. ( Rather than the usual capitalist attempts to maximise participants in the economy, optimise human resource use and maximise profits)
With BAME figures on the right there is also ego and arrogance - “ I am where I am because of my own efforts, my own self-evident superiority and people who are as brilliant as me can now get where I am without further progressive social change” - and hence racism/bigotry in conservative circles are “exaggerated”/easily overcome without any organisational change.
 
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Many were, and hideously so, but you're seriously over-generalising. Sylvia Pankhurst and the Women's Dreadnought side of the movement (later Workers' Dreadnought then Communist Party BSTI) were further "left" than pretty much every political organisation or movement since (outside of revolutionary anarchists, left and libertarian communists).
Sylvia was an interesting character. Fell out with her mum and sister and ended up moving to Ethiopia and becoming an honorary citizen.
 
Sylvia was an interesting character. Fell out with her mum and sister and ended up moving to Ethiopia and becoming an honorary citizen.
She was also pals with Louise Michel and Peter Kropotkin. Also, East London Fed of the WSPU (Women's/Workers' Dreadnought, which became the Workers' Socialist Federation and later CP-BSTI) was heavily into organising working class women and ran free maternity care in the area. Thousands would turn up for her street meetings. The WSF were proper good eggs, unlike her Tory mam and the whole white feather brigade.

Eta... The Ethiopian connection, was when she and her husband, the Italian anarchist Silvio Erasmus Corio, organised a lot of the anti-fascist support for Abbyssinian resistance to Mussolini's invasion. They eventually settled there and Sylvia is buried in Addis Ababa - though there's a nice monument to her in Bow cemetary.
 
Many were, and hideously so, but you're seriously over-generalising. Sylvia Pankhurst and the Women's Dreadnought side of the movement (later Workers' Dreadnought then Communist Party BSTI) were further "left" than pretty much every political organisation or movement since (outside of revolutionary anarchists, left and libertarian communists).
tbf you're cherry-picking a bit there to find someone you like. The general statement made about the specific organisation those colours represent is accurate enough. The WSPU as run by Sylvia's mum and sister was all the things IAF says it was. It specifically did not advocate for universal suffrage, for example. It wanted poor men and women kept off the electoral register.

Also relevant to note that the WSPU was not the mainstream of the women's suffrage movement. Far more people were involved with the self-described 'suffragists' led by Millicent Fawcett. Arguably Fawcett's movement was far more influential in producing change (and she didn't abandon the movement in order to shame young men into sending themselves off to war either).
 
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