HeAthen
Nadgers.
Precisely. If it's a matter for anyone it's her.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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HeAthen
Nadgers.
Headline from Haaretz. I wonder how long it'll be before Netanyahu tries to close them down?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
As MEE and others pointed out yesterday, a big part (probably the most significant part) of the reason why the three above were not charged by the ICC is because there have been Parliamentary and judicial procedures against those individuals / people associated with those acts in their countries. They might have been insufficient procedures, the people responsible might have evaded the sentences that many people thought they should have faced, but there was an attempt at an independent reckoning and that has usually been enough to dissuade the ICC.
Contrast this with the complete and well-documented absence of nearly any legal consequences to individuals for Israeli military / political actions during the occupation, or indeed for anything else carried out “for the state” such as assassinations, terror attacks, espionage or anything else abroad. There are a handful of individuals who’ve faced trial or court martial for killing or mistreating people under occupation, most of them many years ago and (as Katz reminded everyone last night) an obviously and increasingly racist system of justice that operates there. In short there’s no alternative to the ICC getting involved.
Sadly though I think providing an alternative (the establishment of a relatively independent tribunal within Israel) is going to be the most likely way in which these warrants go away; that tribunal will tear Netanyahu up (for his failures before October 7th and afterwards) and do nothing about the multitude killed in Gaza, but it will be enough for the ICC to drop this.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Tells you how cavalier and vindictive the Israeli assault has been even compared to those disasters.
teqniq
DisMembered
HeAthen
Nadgers.
What an absolute prick.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Proper whataboutery there from Mazzig. Did he raise any objections to the invasion of Iraq? I don't think he did. I'd like to see him in the dock at The Hague. In fact, anyone who propagandises on behalf of Netanyahu's mobster regime should face justice.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Shit-kicking cunt.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Headline from Haaretz. I wonder how long it'll be before Netanyahu tries to close them down?
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Moves to something similar have been suggested.
Israel targets Haaretz after publisher calls Palestinians 'freedom fighters' see
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Thought this was interesting article
www.newstatesman.com
It goes into the history of left/ progressive support for Israel/ Zionism.
There was a time post war when support for Israel ( the Labour Zionist version) was the norm.
Partly due to it being seen as building socialism and also due to Holocaust.
Back then there was little interest in Palestinians.
Generally the historiography put forward by Israel was accepted. That Palestinians left due to other Arab countries encouraging them. Etc. The Nakba was never mentioned
It wasn't until later , though the article doesn't mention this, that the Israeli new historians revised this version of history.
Change started to happen in 67. With Israel occupying West Bank and Gaza.
Then in early 80s the attack on Lebanon to remove PLO.
Support for Labour Zionism goes back to early days of Labour party. Explains why it's been such a contentious issue in the party. It's not just about Starmer. Support for (Labour) Zionism has deep roots in the party going back decades.
Zionism’s long 20th century
With the Middle East in flames, Britain’s relationship with Israel will transform again.
www.newstatesman.com
It goes into the history of left/ progressive support for Israel/ Zionism.
There was a time post war when support for Israel ( the Labour Zionist version) was the norm.
Partly due to it being seen as building socialism and also due to Holocaust.
Back then there was little interest in Palestinians.
Generally the historiography put forward by Israel was accepted. That Palestinians left due to other Arab countries encouraging them. Etc. The Nakba was never mentioned
It wasn't until later , though the article doesn't mention this, that the Israeli new historians revised this version of history.
Change started to happen in 67. With Israel occupying West Bank and Gaza.
Then in early 80s the attack on Lebanon to remove PLO.
Support for Labour Zionism goes back to early days of Labour party. Explains why it's been such a contentious issue in the party. It's not just about Starmer. Support for (Labour) Zionism has deep roots in the party going back decades.
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HeAthen
Nadgers.
Fascism in action.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Yes and her evasive answer is in stark contrast with Irish PM,
teqniq
DisMembered
I suspect that the lack of any comment on the ICC arrest warrants is because Lammy knows that as the UK is a signatory to the Rome Statute we should uphold and be prepared to act on arrest warrants issued by them.
I really can't imagine why neither he nor Stasrmer would not make a statement on this.
* Removes tongue from cheek *
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
A short read but important one.
Whilst attention is on Gaza the ongoing Zionist project inside the Israeli state that started in 48 still goes on
The first time this community were moved was in 1952 so a Kibbutz could be built. Dispossession didn't end with State of Israel being founded.
Despite these Bedouins being Israeli citizens they were second class ones.
www.972mag.com
In this short piece the writer shows how Zionism was/ is about removing people and replacing them with Jews.
Its been like that from the beginning.
The same tactics used inside Israel as used in West Bank. They started in 48 and arguably 67 occupation was a continuation of them.
Whilst attention is on Gaza the ongoing Zionist project inside the Israeli state that started in 48 still goes on
The first time this community were moved was in 1952 so a Kibbutz could be built. Dispossession didn't end with State of Israel being founded.
Despite these Bedouins being Israeli citizens they were second class ones.
The entire history of Zionism’s injustices, in one Bedouin village
The destruction of Umm Al-Hiran exemplifies the Zionist view of Palestinians as moveable chess pieces in a game of demographic engineering.
www.972mag.com
In this short piece the writer shows how Zionism was/ is about removing people and replacing them with Jews.
Its been like that from the beginning.
The same tactics used inside Israel as used in West Bank. They started in 48 and arguably 67 occupation was a continuation of them.
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Cloo
Banana for scale
This morning our synagogue hosted a community leader from Kibbutz Reim (which the synagogue has formed a partership with), where a number of people were murdered as were many, many of their friends at the neighbouring Nova festival. While it was heartening to hear about all the resources enabling the community to recover, I thought repeatedly about the countless Palestinian people undergoing that level of trauma again and again, for over a year, with nowhere to go for support or safety or recovery.
I'll say this woman from Reim sounded as though she was not unsympathetic towards the Palestinian people and stated that she was unhappy with how then right has claimed 'Zionism', but it's when I mentioned to my other half how I felt hearing the story of the kibbutz and he was having the exact same thought as me.
I'll say this woman from Reim sounded as though she was not unsympathetic towards the Palestinian people and stated that she was unhappy with how then right has claimed 'Zionism', but it's when I mentioned to my other half how I felt hearing the story of the kibbutz and he was having the exact same thought as me.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Must say I always assumed Kibbutz were the nicer side of Zionism
Now I've read more of the history Ive changed my mind
Particularly after establishment of Israeli state the Kibbutz set up then were part military outposts part building the new Labour Zionist state.
Those Kibbutz near what was then new Gaza strip were involved in the border wars post 48 as Palestinians tried to get back to their farms and homes.
These were not the religious hardliners now seen in West Bank. But the secular Zionist equivalents.
The border wars, now largely forgotten, were start of Palestinian resistance.
Good article here by the founder of the Palestinian Land Society of exhibition at Kibbutz built on land taken from Palestinians.
www.plands.org
Its like Israeli went through a stage of amnesia about what really happened.
The founder of Palestine Land Society recounts what happened
And this isn't ancient history.
Now I've read more of the history Ive changed my mind
Particularly after establishment of Israeli state the Kibbutz set up then were part military outposts part building the new Labour Zionist state.
Those Kibbutz near what was then new Gaza strip were involved in the border wars post 48 as Palestinians tried to get back to their farms and homes.
These were not the religious hardliners now seen in West Bank. But the secular Zionist equivalents.
The border wars, now largely forgotten, were start of Palestinian resistance.
Good article here by the founder of the Palestinian Land Society of exhibition at Kibbutz built on land taken from Palestinians.
Palestine Land Society
Palestine Land Society is an independent non-profit scholarly society dedicated towards research and information-gathering on Palestine, the land and its people.
Its like Israeli went through a stage of amnesia about what really happened.
The founder of Palestine Land Society recounts what happened
And this isn't ancient history.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
They're playing right into the hands of antisemites with their knee-jerk hysterical accusations of antisemitism at the slightest critique. If you weaponise something and use it often enough as a cudgel with which to silence dissent, eventually the timeworn go-to statement itself is robbed of its meaning and power. Thus when genuine acts of antisemitism are perpetrated, those who enact them can just point to the constant use of it saying "yeah, but come on, they always say that though, don't they?"...
Do the likes of netanyahu and ben-gvir not see how short-sighted and self-defeating that is?
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
I don't think they care.
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