Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[agricola]

two officers have been sacked the liasion plan wasn't passed onto those operational so what was was the fucking point if the people pulling the trigger arent told oh theres an aid convoy? that we have cleared.

theres no point having plans like this if they arent actually passed to the people who need them.

much like troops in the gulf finding out that hooding prisoners is illegal by accident. now it could be incompetence, deliberate policy but good luck finding proof.

Sacking is a PR stunt only: allows those funding the genocide to continue

FWIW they haven't been sacked either, they've been removed from their posts presumably to be reassigned elsewhere.

 

[Serge Forward]

Oh please do go into detail

FFS don't encourage them

 

[barlimo]

Oh please do go into detail

The news gives enough details unless you are deaf, blind and stupid which I assume you must be.

 

[barlimo]

More than 200 humanitarian workers have been killed in Gaza since October. There's your proof of deliberate targeting.

But they were mainly Palestinians and do not appear to count and as far as I know their deaths haven't even been investigated.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

FWIW they haven't been sacked either, they've been removed from their posts presumably to be reassigned elsewhere.

Before promotion after trauma counselling for hurt feelings…

 

[TopCat]

The news gives enough details unless you are deaf, blind and stupid which I assume you must be.

Where did this bam come from?

 

[Pickman's model]

There is hardly any difference betwween the the way that both Hamas and the IDF conducts itself.

This seems to be something if a theme with you, like when you said there was hardly any difference between the confederate states of America and the USA

 

[Pickman's model]

Where did this bam come from?

Under a big stone marked don't lift

 

[krtek a houby]

The news gives enough details unless you are deaf, blind and stupid which I assume you must be.

You're a fucking antisemitic piece of excreta, so will take your utterances with a pinch of salt.

 

[barlimo]

It seems a very serious thread thread has fallen victim to The Three Stooges.

 

[Pickman's model]

It seems a very serious thread thread has fallen victim to The Three Stooges.

How so? How did these dead comics hijack a thread from beyond the grave? It's just more a-s shite from you

 

[krtek a houby]

It seems a very serious thread thread has fallen victim to The Three Stooges.

It's better than falling victim to a bigoted arse pimple like you.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's better than falling victim to a bigoted arse pimple like you.

Arse pimples are short-lived irritations. Unlike the nefandous shit puddle barlimo

 

[krtek a houby]

Arse pimples are short-lived irritations. Unlike the nefandous shit puddle barlimo

The malignancy had been bubbling under for ten years and then all the stink.

There's no room for antisemites here. It's frankly bizarre how they are tolerated.

 

[mojo pixy]

There's no room for antisemites here. It's frankly bizarre how they are tolerated.

Oh but there is. If I were barlimo I'd find this thread most encouraging.

 

[Pickman's model]

The malignancy had been bubbling under for ten years and then all the stink.

There's no room for antisemites here. It's frankly bizarre how they are tolerated.

Very surprised he's not had the permaban so richly deserved

 

[Miss-Shelf]

Please can we ignore the poster disrupting this thread. It's an important site of news and debate

 

[krtek a houby]

Please can we ignore the poster disrupting this thread. It's an important site of news and debate

It is, indeed but this is no ordinary trolling. Ignoring antisemitism never ends well.

 

[barlimo]

Perhaps Alan Duncan would have been wise to keep his mouth shut however the same could have been said about Winston Churchill back in the 30s but It just doesn't do to speak your mind on many subjects these days even if it's the truth.

 

[Gramsci]

There's a very interesting book on language in the third reich. A study of the use of language by the zionists might be at least as illuminating

Is it Victor Klemperer book? Was looking this up to see if I could find anything. I have not heard of him before.

 

[nino_savatte]

Perhaps Alan Duncan would have been wise to keep his mouth shut however the same could have been said about Winston Churchill back in the 30s but It just doesn't do to speak your mind on many subjects these days even if it's the truth.

Oh?

 

[Gramsci]

Nine minutes in goes into Alan Duncan diaries. He say he was up for a top job in government dealing with Middle East issues.

Conservative Friends of Israel and Louise Ellmann MP of Labour Friends of Israel lobbied hard to stop him getting the post.

From his view its that he actually supported government policy that settlement building in West Bank must stop.

That he was not pro Israel enough.

So for him lobby groups like LFI and CFI have to much influence over government.

From looking it was in public media that for example Louise Ellmann said his place in senior position of government of time was concerning. This article. And his position on settlement building is one of them.

On LBC he said this. Which from a Tory I was surprised at:

Speaking on LBC's Nick Ferrari at Breakfast, Sir Alan also called for arms sales to Israel to be stopped "immediately".

"I think that anything in support of what is becoming a total catastrophe in Gaza is morally unacceptable and what we have to accept is it’s not just what they’re doing now is wrong – it’s what Israel has been doing for years has been wrong because the Israeli defence does not follow international law," he said.

"It has been backing and supporting illegal settlers in the West Bank who steal Palestinian land and it is that land theft, that annexation of Palestine, which is the origin of the problem, which has given rise to the Hamas atrocity and the battles we’re seeing."

Sir Alan Duncan calls for Lord Polak, Lord Pickles and Tom Tugendhat to face repercussions over support of Israel

Sir Alan Duncan has called for Lord Polak, Lord Pickles and Tom Tugendhat to face repercussions over their support of Israel.

www.lbc.co.uk

Well he is right successive Israeli governments since 67 have been allowing and or aiding settlement building. With very little push back from Western governments.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it Victor Klemperer book? Was looking this up to see if I could find anything. I have not heard of him before.

That's the one

 

[planetgeli]

Oh but there is. If I were barlimo I'd find this thread most encouraging.

I would genuinely (I mean this) like to know why you think this. Why is this thread "most encouraging" to anti-semites?

It differs from what I'm seeing. Help me out.

What I see are 12300 posts largely, massively largely, from people who either want to inform about the history (I like your posts on this aspect certainly) or who, like me, rail against injustice, particularly when it tips over into genocide. I see people leading the calls for a ceasefire and to stop arming Israel, something mainstream politicians have only just now started to catch up on.

Of course, in a crowd, you are bound to get the odd idiot shouting shit. On this thread I see them jumped on. How is this welcoming to eg Barlimo, who has been told in no uncertain terms to fuck off by more than one person? Which is what happens every time some idiot shouts 'the Jews'.

"Most encouraging" to anti-semites? I checked, quickly, the top 30 posters. They are responsible for over 2/3 of the posts here. If what you are saying is right, then maybe you can pick out some of those posters who encourage anti-semitism?

It's a genuine question Mojo. I'm quite prepared to listen to where I'm going wrong. It's just that as it stands, labelling the thread as encouraging to anti-semitism to me is a bit insulting to those informed posters, or those outraged posters, who post in good faith and without anti-semitism. And they look like the vast majority to me.

 

[barlimo]

I am not anti Semitic but I am definitely anti Netanyahu and his IDF thugs who are doing their very best to turn ordinary people into anti Semites moreover the actions of the the supposed civilised IDF are so inhuman as be indistinguishable from it's enemies.

 

[krtek a houby]

I am not anti Semitic

Your previous posts which I quoted would indicate otherwise.

 

[Serge Forward]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... and exactly how do the actions of the IDF make people anti-semitic? I'd assume those "ordinary people" were already bigoted twats.

 

[two sheds]

I am not anti Semitic but I am definitely anti Netanyahu and his IDF thugs who are doing their very best to turn ordinary people into anti Semites moreover the actions of the the supposed civilised IDF are so inhuman as be indistinguishable from it's enemies.

Your previous post ("Not surprising as both Labour and Conservative parties are funded by Jews.") suggests that you are definitely antisemitic. I'll add my name to fuck off with that shit.

 

[Rimbaud]

Oh but there is. If I were barlimo I'd find this thread most encouraging.

I think you need to call out people directly when you think something is anti-semitic instead of vague and broad insinuations. It isn't helpful.

Discussion of Israel is always going to be a bit difficult because of the fact it is the only Jewish state in existence. There is no secular Turkey or Indonesia to contrast to the fundamentalist Saudi for instance, so it is easy for the Israeli government to equate criticism of their actions with hostility to Jewish people in general, and it is also easy for anti-semites to hide behind a cloak of anti-zionism.

Because of this, we really need to be specific in calling out anti-semitism and vague insinuations are not helpful at all.

 

[planetgeli]

And can I just add...I feel bad for picking out mojo pixy 's post, I like them and they contribute here well. It's just what their post echoed seems to be a reflection of what some other posters have stated (and far worse, I've seen this thread described as a cesspit - which it isn't) as a reason for not posting here. I want posters to post here. Of course, anyone's posting habits are their concern, I can't make them post here, but there are some really notable exceptions not posting here, people whose other stuff I like reading. If they have nothing to say on the subject then whatever, bit surprising, but I can't make them. If, however, their reasons for not posting are something to do with this thread being an anti-semitic cesspit then...I'd like to see their evidence. Out of the 12300 posts.