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I think the Jewish Chronicle would be unlikely to choose that particular example.
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I think the Jewish Chronicle would be unlikely to choose that particular example.
Lurdan
old wave
"The Times was simply an example" which you gave more than once, starting by embedding someone's x-tweet with a scrolling video of the Times front page as it was in the early evening yesterday. You commented sarcastically about "the paper of record" (something the Times has not been for many decades). I went and looked, saw there was a story not yet on the 'front page' of their website and posted a link to an archived version of it. I didn't do so to contradict you but for the benefit of anyone who wanted to see what bollocks they had published.
At 11.34am today you posted:
I pointed out that their ICJ story actually was now on the 'front page' and that they only remake their 'front page' a couple of times a day. I didn't do so because I was intent on
but to indicate that the Times front page was not continually updated like The Guardian's, and so all that could be drawn from it was whether or not they considered a story important enough to add it to the front page between remakes. Nine hours later their ICJ story is still there as I type this, although the Sunday Times remake has already begun. I also don't think one could draw any inferences from the fact it is still there.
Marvellous. Have we moved from 'no fighting in the war room' to 'no Gazans on the Gaza thread'?
This is an open thread about Gaza not about you.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You might want to check who said what before you start ranting like this.
The views of people in Gaza are more important than those of any of us here, but you were using them in a very particular and, imo, unpleasant way to shut down other posters.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I doubt that entirely, it was dispossessing so many people that is at the heart of this after all.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Allegations so for seem a bit thin. From BBC online news.
UNRWA claims: UK halts aid to UN agency over allegation staff helped Hamas attack
Unless other news outlets have more detailed allegations this does not sound like UNRWA should have anything to worry about.
Also on the teachers. I thought salaries for these kinds of jobs were paid through PA? Not Hamas directly?
Am I wrong on this?
So should not Israeli government raise this with the PA?
On Hamas. Its not a small terrorist organisation. Its a political party with an armed wing. Some of its work ( continuing from Muslim Brotherhood days) is providing welfare. So its not unlikely that members or sympathisers of Hamas ( not high ups. Just rank and file members) may work for UNRWA. As this is one of the few jobs going due to Israel states blockade.
Hamas are proscribed terrorist organisation in UK. But in West Bank and Gaza for Palestinians they are among the political parties that are legitimate in Palestinian viewpoint. From Palestinian viewpoint one may not support Hamas but that does not mean its an illegitimate party to support.
One of the arguments by IDF / Israeli government for bombing blocks of flats for example was that they housed Hamas "cells". What they really mean is that a Hamas member lived there with his family. As Hamas has membership like any political party its hardly surprising that IDF find Hamas everywhere across Gaza.
So this does not mean that UNWRA are controlled by Hamas.
What this sounds like to me is that Israeli politicians are outraged anyone could support Hamas.
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Gramsci
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What I find particularly offensive about the attack on UNWRA ( which googling have been going on for years) by Israeli apologists is that it was first set up to deal with the refugee problem created by the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 48 to create state of Isreal.
The refugee problem was left to UN and neighbouring states to deal with. Whilst the Zionists appropriated land stolen by them from Palestinians for Jewish only settlement.
So UNWRA have been dealing now with a problem by same kind of Zionists who perpetrated a war crime in 48. And there staff have been killed who stood by their posts to help their fellows in Gaza As head of UN has pointed out.
The same kind of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, possibly genocide, is happening now under the auspices of a Zionist government in Israel and all they can do is accuse an organisation dealing with the mess they made of being supporters of terrorists.
With Western governments lining up to support this line of attack.
Whole thing is sickening.
The refugee problem was left to UN and neighbouring states to deal with. Whilst the Zionists appropriated land stolen by them from Palestinians for Jewish only settlement.
So UNWRA have been dealing now with a problem by same kind of Zionists who perpetrated a war crime in 48. And there staff have been killed who stood by their posts to help their fellows in Gaza As head of UN has pointed out.
The same kind of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, possibly genocide, is happening now under the auspices of a Zionist government in Israel and all they can do is accuse an organisation dealing with the mess they made of being supporters of terrorists.
With Western governments lining up to support this line of attack.
Whole thing is sickening.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Colour me shocked. Utterly shameful. UNRWA has acted immediately upon being told of the allegations. There is no reason whatever for anyone to suspend funding. They should be increasing funding right now.
From Al J:
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Or funding for cops despite evidence of widespread criminality in the police
Lurdan
old wave
Ranting 
I posted Hind Khoudray's tweets not out of any desire to silence anyone, but as an expression of my own irritation. Also in retrospect that was foolish.
I Did. Bit of a waste of time in retrospect.
That's your opinion. You've every right to hold and express it. Just as I have the right to an opinion about yours.
I posted Hind Khoudray's tweets not out of any desire to silence anyone, but as an expression of my own irritation. Also in retrospect that was foolish.
PTK
Paul Kegan
In the paper copy of The Times there is only a small article on Page 42 about the ICJ ruling,
zedr
new but not *that* new
Yeah I'd be interested t know this too. I went on a teachers exchange to the West Bank almost a decade ago and from what I can remember there were free UNRWA schools, Fatah run state schools, and Hamas run private schools. This might be a simplification (or tbh just me misremembering), but id assume ppl teaching at UNRWA schools would be paid by UNRWA.
Tho at the time I went I doubt anyone was being paid cos the schools had been on strike for something like 10 weeks. The teachers we met were scathing of the national union and he NUT exchange (different to ours) which they saw as scabbing.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
exactly!
Larry O'Hara
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Looking around more and you recollection is correct:
How Israel has destroyed Gaza’s schools and universities
All schools in Gaza have been shut and no university has survived more than 100 days of onslaught by Israel’s military.
Schools and Universities have been targetted by IDF.
At early stages of war people attempted to use the schools as shelters. Obviously thinking IDF would be less likely to target them. Not the case.
For higher education (Universities) IDF in particular targetted this infrastructure for destruction.
Blowing up the ruined buildings after bombing for example.
My partner went out to Palestine to visit schools few years ago. Said one thing Palestinians set store by is education. Even in the difficult circumstances they live in. Something they are proud of. And its not about being Fatah or Hamas supporter.
Its a form of resistance to Israeli Zionist oppression to put this effort into education imo. Steadfastness.
So Israeli destruction of education infrastructure is understandable from their point of view. One thing a coloniser does not want is an educated people. Or people who refuse to have their society destroyed.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Coincidentally just watched this,
On Gaza Starmer does the lawyerly one cannot make a judgement so soon. One must wait for the correct authorities to investigate and pronounce a judgement. I havent seen this particular footage etc.
Its oh so difficult to come up with an opinion.
( even though the bombing of Gaza has been going on for months its to early to have an opinion.)
Of course with Ukraine its different.
These war criminals need to be "hunted down" he says.
How he manages to do this with a straight face is beyond me,
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you'd spent the past five years hurling people out of your party on the basis of often doubtful accusations of anti-semitism due to criticism of the zionist entity you too might balk at declaring that the zionists are doing something wrong, lest you leave yourself open to accusations of hypocrisy
teqniq
DisMembered
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Wish there was an option for Gift Aid on that.
ska invita
back on the other side
Where will Hamas military physically exist?
teqniq
DisMembered
Done with Labour.
UNRWA claims: UN chief in aid plea after staff accused of helping Hamas in Israel attack
Countries pause funding for UNRWA over Israeli allegations its staff were involved in the Hamas attacks.
www.bbc.com
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Mind how you go with that, any minute now they could be declared a proscribed terrorist group
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's so fucking disingenuous. Even if the allegations are true - and given that they've been made by Israel, they very well may be partially or entirely fabricated - aid money has not gone to terrorists. The allegations consist of UNRWA teachers celebrating the attack and an UNRWA employee's home being used by Hamas. Neither of those things constitute 'aid supporting terrorism'.Done with Labour.
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UNRWA claims: UN chief in aid plea after staff accused of helping Hamas in Israel attack
Countries pause funding for UNRWA over Israeli allegations its staff were involved in the Hamas attacks.www.bbc.com
PTK
Paul Kegan
An example of how action by the organised working class can stop a government arming another state.
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teqniq
DisMembered
Slowing or delaying some weapons deliveries. Right. 
www.nbcnews.com
Biden administration discussing slowing some weaponry deliveries to Israel to pressure Netanyahu
U.S. officials are considering pausing or slowing some arms shipments to Israel to convince the government to heed U.S. calls to scale back its military assault in Gaza.
www.nbcnews.com
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
The "All Party Parliamentary Group for the Prevention of Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity" has members who abstained from voting or voted against support for a ceasefire.
The chair is Labour MP Fleur Anderson. She abstained from the ceasefire amendment vote in November. In other words, she chose not to oppose a ceasefire as people in Gaza were being murdered, maimed, bereaved and deprived of any kind of normal life en masse.
Vice-chairs Feryal Clark, Rushanara Ali, Florence Eshalomi -who are all Labour - also abstained.
Vice-chair Nicholas Bourne is Conservative so either voted against the call for a ceasefire or abstained.
Vice-chair Brendan O'Hara is SNP and I don't know how he voted.
Underneath the Chair and Vice-Chairs is a list of members:
About — APPG on the Prevention of Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity
There are a lot of hypocrites on that list.
Sorry I can't go through them all.
The chair is Labour MP Fleur Anderson. She abstained from the ceasefire amendment vote in November. In other words, she chose not to oppose a ceasefire as people in Gaza were being murdered, maimed, bereaved and deprived of any kind of normal life en masse.
Vice-chairs Feryal Clark, Rushanara Ali, Florence Eshalomi -who are all Labour - also abstained.
Vice-chair Nicholas Bourne is Conservative so either voted against the call for a ceasefire or abstained.
Vice-chair Brendan O'Hara is SNP and I don't know how he voted.
Underneath the Chair and Vice-Chairs is a list of members:
About — APPG on the Prevention of Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity
There are a lot of hypocrites on that list.
Sorry I can't go through them all.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
in the camps and within Israel, probably
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Underground. Probably quite literally.
And existentially, whether it be Hamas or what comes next, in the minds of the many Palestinians who will never forget or forgive this.
Gaza was just 141 square miles. This didn't stop practicing with rocket launchers.
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