Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Sasaferrato]

Hosea 8:7.

 

[kebabking]

I don’t think you are suggesting that the other incidents are linked though like Mason is ?

Is there a huge difference between 'linked' and 'mutually beneficial' for people who talk to each other?

It looks pretty solid to pretty much everyone that the Russians are, at the least, stirring the pot in Serbia, and that the Iranians are significant backers of Hamas (observers will have noticed an Israeli Merkerva Main Battle Tank being destroyed by an armour piercing munition dropped by a Hamas UAV, which wouldn't look out of place on Ukraine), and that the Iranians are very significant partners of the Russians.

Does that mean Putin giving the orders from a bunker in the Urals without which none of this would be happening? no, absolutely not, but I think raising an eyebrow at the coincidental timing wouldn't put anyone in conspiraloon land....

 

[The39thStep]

Hosea 8:7.

John 8.7

 

[tony.c]

Hamas holding 35 Israelis hostage according to reports

I thought they might have been taken back to Gaza as human shields to deter Israeli reprisal air strikes and bombardment. But news reports saying Israel has already launched airstrikes.

 

[The39thStep]

Is there a huge difference between 'linked' and 'mutually beneficial' for people who talk to each other?

It looks pretty solid to pretty much everyone that the Russians are, at the least, stirring the pot in Serbia, and that the Iranians are significant backers of Hamas (observers will have noticed an Israeli Merkerva Main Battle Tank being destroyed by an armour piercing munition dropped by a Hamas UAV, which wouldn't look out of place on Ukraine), and that the Iranians are very significant partners of the Russians.

Does that mean Putin giving the orders from a bunker in the Urals without which none of this would be happening? no, absolutely not, but I think raising an eyebrow at the coincidental timing wouldn't put anyone in conspiraloon land....

How does one fit Nagorno-Karabakh into the eyebrow raising ?

 

[kebabking]

How does one fit Nagorno-Karabakh into the eyebrow raising ?

I don't think it is...

 

[agricola]

I don’t think you are suggesting that the other incidents are linked though like Mason is ?

Not in terms of some sort of a grand plan (I think, anyway), but they probably share a similar inspiration - in that a country or an actor taking an action won't necessarily face the consequences that it might have ten or twenty years ago because of everything else that is going on geopolitically.

 

[agricola]

How does one fit Nagorno-Karabakh into the eyebrow raising ?

I think that is more because there was such a favourable scenario there - Russia distracted and angry at Pashinyan's government, Pashinyan having signed the 2020 thing and being weakened thereby, the EU dependent on Azeri energy supplies so unlikely to meaningfully help either, and a secure partner in Ankara.

 

[Sasaferrato]

John 8.7

Indeed.

I cannot see how the people of Gaza will benefit from this in any way. Israel really couldn't have a worse reputation with regard to this, and any current Israeli action isn't going to create more outrage than there already is.

Does anyone know how much support for this action that there is from the people of Gaza?

 

[MickiQ]

I think about the only safe prediction at this point is a lot of people are going to get killed over the next couple of weeks. More Palestinians than Israelis but no lack of deaths on either side.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It looks like the tactic is to kidnap Israeli citizens and take them back to Gaza.

I wouldn't rule out a ground invasion of Gaza in response

The language BN is using is this is now a war (he even said it’s not an operation or escalation). This is the perfect gift for him given what’s been going on in Israel this last year..

 

[phildwyer]

Presume they're on a military hiding to nothing so wonder what the game is?

Defiance.

 

[phildwyer]

Revelation 16.1

 

[Flavour]

Multiple Israeli soldiers taken hostage

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[Johnny Vodka]

They've been at war for years.

Or rather a one-sided occupation (and constant grabbing of land).

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Perhaps if cowardly bastards like this took a harder stance on Israel's stealing and bullying, violence would be less likely to flare up?

 

[frogwoman]

Putin will be playing both sides...he supports Iran etc but is friends with Bibi and Russia/Russian domestic media is way more zionist than I was expecting

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Multiple Israeli soldiers taken hostage

This is not going to end well for Hamas.

 

[PTK]

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Perhaps if cowardly bastards like this took a harder stance on Israel's stealing and bullying, violence would be less likely to flare up?

I wish supposedly clever people (pun intended) would cease using the term "terrorist" as a swear word.

 

[Flavour]

Times of Israel reports at least 100 Israeli dead today.

Only 700 or so died in the entire 2nd intifada period from 2000 to 2005

 

[Idris2002]

This is not going to end well for Hamas.

It's going to end worse for the Palestinians. When Sharon was in power, I genuinely thought he was trying to provoke them into doing something that would give him an excuse for the ethnic cleansing of what was once Palestine. This - this is more than he could have dreamt of.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

A better balance of words coming from the Scottish FM.

 

[agricola]

It's going to end worse for the Palestinians. When Sharon was in power, I genuinely thought he was trying to provoke them into doing something that would give him an excuse for the ethnic cleansing of what was once Palestine. This - this is more than he could have dreamt of.

That could have happened under Sharon though, I really doubt they would be allowed to do it now. The world has changed massively since then.

 

[Idris2002]

That could have happened under Sharon though, I really doubt they would be allowed to do it now. The world has changed massively since then.

We just watched the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh get ethnically cleansed in the past month! If the world has changed since Sharon's time, it's not been for the better.

 

[Bingoman]

Hamas are now warning that the attacks will spread into the West Bank

 

[kebabking]

Hamas are now warning that the attacks will spread into the West Bank

Seems odd - this stuff only really works when it's by surprise. If Hezbollah aren't going to join in in the north, then what Hamas mean is 'we hope the attacks spread into the West Bank' - because if they don't (they will, but whether on anything like the scale, complexity and effect of the Hamas attacks is an answer I don't know..) then Hamas in the Gaza strip are going to get the full and undivided attention of the Israeli's, which I assume they'd rather not have.

Many Hyenas can take down a lion. One? Not so much.

 

[Idris2002]

That one hyena can have a bloody good try, though.

I've seen stuff claiming that this is to stop King Salman signing a deal with Israel. I'm sure he's really worried about how this will hurt his party in the mid-terms, not.

 

[A380]

The language BN is using is this is now a war (he even said it’s not an operation or escalation). This is the perfect gift for him given what’s been going on in Israel this last year..

Is it though? He’s painted himself as the strong man on defence, and yet it appears that there’s been a fairly massive Israeli intelligence fuck up on his watch.

 

[Idris2002]

Fifty years ago, the intelligence fuckup over the 1973 war started the process in Israel that ended with the rise of Likud and Begin, and ultimately, the rise of Bibi.

This is likely to be the same kind of event, with similar results. And a year from now, it'll be "Bibi come home, all is forgiven".