Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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elbows
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If you refuse to factor in all of the very real implications that stem from the status of one participant being the occupying power, then of course the scene may look like that to you.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The marches were in support and solidarity with the Palestinian people, not Hamas. That might give you a clue as to who is the oppressed the banner refers to in this instance.
Just about every post you make is a justification for collective punishment of Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if the first incident is terrorist, then so is the second which as has been widely noted flouts international law. i'm by no means 'whining', simply pointing out that the zionist response is counter to the law nations are expected to upholdWell this round of middle east murder games started with a massacre of Israeli civilians. Celebrating their deaths then whining Israel is committing warcrimes is a bit
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
So there are two oppressors of the Palestinian people, Hamas and Israel? You wouldn't know that from the banners on the marches, or the arguments that the "with the oppressed, never the oppressor" banner-waving types come out with.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Well this round of middle east murder games started with a massacre of Israeli civilians. Celebrating their deaths then whining Israel is committing warcrimes is a bit
hmm never celebrated anyone death on this thread more been dismayed by a repeat of endless cycle of bloodshed
elbows
Well-Known Member
Far more than two. The other big party in the PA, and their years of corruption etc. Various forms of oppression of Palestinians who ended up in other countries due to past events. The oppressive and narrow logic of people like you.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I note you've made zero posts on Urban on the 1948 Arab-Israeli war or the Camp David Accords
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I've never accused anyone of celebrating Hamas. Since that words seems to ruffle your feathers try this search:
Search results for query: celebrating
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
Student union officer at Sussex University 'celebrates' attacks on Israel
this woman
women’s officer at a university students’ union described the attacks by Hamas on Israel that have killed hundreds of people as “beautiful” and a “success”.
Hanin Barghouthi, who is an elected officer at the University of Sussex Students’ Union, addressed a crowd of people at a pro-Palestine rally on Sunday, just a day after militant groups crossed the border from Gaza into Israel, killing and abducting Israeli civilians.
Israel has said 900 civilians and soldiers have been killed in the attacks.
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Ms Barghouti, who identified as a Palestinian, told the crowd that the attacks were “beautiful and inspiring to see”.
She said: “It shows us as Palestinians and it shows the world that we will always fight and we will always resist, and we need to celebrate these acts of violence because this is a success.
“Revolutionary violence initiated by Palestinians is not terrorism, it is self-defence.”
Ms Barghouthi, who is also a student at the University of Sussex, was elected as a women’s officer for the students’ union in the spring. In a manifesto, she said: “I am committed to putting my whole heart into working for you, making this uni safe and inclusive and comfortable.”
Brighton resident Heidi Bachram said she found Ms Barghouthi’s comments “morally despicable”.
She said: “Israeli women were raped and murdered and this so-called women’s officer was celebrating - it’s abhorrent.
“We have family currently hiding inside their homes while rockets hit. We have relatives killed and kidnapped. Jewish businesses and communities here are being targeted and she celebrated violence. I am filled with fury.”
The father of a new student at the University of Sussex said that she is now afraid to go around campus because of the comments made by Ms Barghouthi.
He told The Argus that the students’ union have a “duty of care” and accused them of not taking her comments seriously.
He also said that, when he complained to the students’ union about her remarks yesterday, a duty manager responded: “It’s Monday morning, what do you want me to do about it?”
“Their silence is deafening,” he said.
A spokeswoman for the University of Sussex said: “We have received a complaint about a Sussex student expressing views on the recent attacks by Hamas in Israel.
“The university is currently seeking to establish the facts and, if necessary, will take action in line with our policies and the law.”
A police spokeswoman said officers are reviewing footage from the protest and “remain committed to ensuring any reported offences are investigated proportionately, without prejudice, and in line with legislation, while recognising the complexities and sensitivities of the issue”.
Home Secretary Suella Braverman spoke about the reaction in Britain. She said that there is “no place on British streets for demonstrations that glorify terrorism” and said she is writing to police chiefs urging them to use all their powers to prevent disorder and distress.
The University of Sussex Students’ Union has been approached for comment.
So targeting Israeli civillians is fine but getting the same treatment back is a crime against humanity?
Israel belives if it loses one war it will be genocided that's why it has nukes there's never been a time when international law came to the rescue of the Jewish people it was mostly used to oppress them that's why the don't give a fuck about international law or the U. It's only ever been used against them.
They have the military upper hand now and they are going to use it.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Are you for real? For a start you missed out the beating with sticks part, and the fact they still have her husband.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Oh now don't be shy, you've been implying it with multiple snarky comments about Hamas being oppressed or oppressor, with those little remarks about IDF babies and, y'know, this:
So who are they?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
'Salt of the earth, these Hamas lads. Those of us whose brains they didn't blast all over the desert were even allowed to wash and eat! '
And they love their mums!
donkyboy
Crazy Cat/Fox man
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Nope, I’ve said people have excused their actions, not celebrated them. This was all covered earlier in the thread so you’ll just have to go and find it, I’m not your personal search bot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh you're just a standard bot
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
So what the fuck are you actually claiming? If I claim that the Hamas attacks were not justified, is that begrudging, and does that mean that I don't mean it?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Are you claiming that then?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I know it's an unfortunate coincidence, and no doubt faulty spelling, but when I clicked on the recommended tab on your post it took me to Outbrain. Why are you recommending that?Student union officer at Sussex University 'celebrates' attacks on Israel
this woman
women’s officer at a university students’ union described the attacks by Hamas on Israel that have killed hundreds of people as “beautiful” and a “success”.
Hanin Barghouthi, who is an elected officer at the University of Sussex Students’ Union, addressed a crowd of people at a pro-Palestine rally on Sunday, just a day after militant groups crossed the border from Gaza into Israel, killing and abducting Israeli civilians.
Israel has said 900 civilians and soldiers have been killed in the attacks.
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Ms Barghouti, who identified as a Palestinian, told the crowd that the attacks were “beautiful and inspiring to see”.
She said: “It shows us as Palestinians and it shows the world that we will always fight and we will always resist, and we need to celebrate these acts of violence because this is a success.
“Revolutionary violence initiated by Palestinians is not terrorism, it is self-defence.”
Ms Barghouthi, who is also a student at the University of Sussex, was elected as a women’s officer for the students’ union in the spring. In a manifesto, she said: “I am committed to putting my whole heart into working for you, making this uni safe and inclusive and comfortable.”
Brighton resident Heidi Bachram said she found Ms Barghouthi’s comments “morally despicable”.
She said: “Israeli women were raped and murdered and this so-called women’s officer was celebrating - it’s abhorrent.
“We have family currently hiding inside their homes while rockets hit. We have relatives killed and kidnapped. Jewish businesses and communities here are being targeted and she celebrated violence. I am filled with fury.”
The father of a new student at the University of Sussex said that she is now afraid to go around campus because of the comments made by Ms Barghouthi.
He told The Argus that the students’ union have a “duty of care” and accused them of not taking her comments seriously.
He also said that, when he complained to the students’ union about her remarks yesterday, a duty manager responded: “It’s Monday morning, what do you want me to do about it?”
“Their silence is deafening,” he said.
A spokeswoman for the University of Sussex said: “We have received a complaint about a Sussex student expressing views on the recent attacks by Hamas in Israel.
“The university is currently seeking to establish the facts and, if necessary, will take action in line with our policies and the law.”
A police spokeswoman said officers are reviewing footage from the protest and “remain committed to ensuring any reported offences are investigated proportionately, without prejudice, and in line with legislation, while recognising the complexities and sensitivities of the issue”.
Home Secretary Suella Braverman spoke about the reaction in Britain. She said that there is “no place on British streets for demonstrations that glorify terrorism” and said she is writing to police chiefs urging them to use all their powers to prevent disorder and distress.
The University of Sussex Students’ Union has been approached for comment.
So targeting Israeli civillians is fine but getting the same treatment back is a crime against humanity?
Israel belives if it loses one war it will be genocided that's why it has nukes there's never been a time when international law came to the rescue of the Jewish people it was mostly used to oppress them that's why the don't give a fuck about international law or the U. It's only ever been used against them.
They have the military upper hand now and they are going to use it.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I don't just claim it, I state it unequivocally.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Thanks for doing what platinumsage wouldn't (albeit not for Urbanites).
So what we've got thus far is:
- A young Palestinian woman (no idea if she's a leftie but she's a student union bod so let's say so for now) who afaict got zero support from the broader left even after she was arrested for what she said by counter-terror police (tbh she probably should have been on free speech grounds even if she said something twattish in the heat of the moment but nm)
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Not referring to you specifically, but when someone’s claim is at complete odds with everything else they say on the subject, you have to wonder whether begrudgement is involved. Like when Corbyn backed remain during the referendum.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Alright let's downgrade then. Who's hiding that they're actually in favour of what Hamas did through excuses and er, "begrudging". Just name a few names if you're not feeling like a search bot, you must have some in mind.
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