littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Edit. Will just ignore him
The Ashes 2017-18
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't know about his bowling really let alone his batting. I still think rashid should be there.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
e2a: nah
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Nah, had a terrible red-ball season this year. Should have been Leach rather than Crane though.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
No, he'd probably be batting at 11 behind Anderson. First class batting average of 12, boosted by 40% of his innings being not out. And a f/c bowling average of 43. Statistically it's staggering that he's been picked ahead of Leach, never mind Rashid.
Mason Crane
Jack Leach
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
what is he saying?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Crane went to a prep and then a private school. Leach went to the local comp (now academy) and until recently was collecting trolleys in tesco. I think that's the real important stat.
Also, Crane looks like he's in the Hitler Youth and Leach like a normal tommy. The ECB (and many clubs) have long real established historical fascist links.
Idaho
blah blah blah
Surely it shouldn't be a problem as long as Leach didn't insist on being admitted to the pavilion?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There does appear to be a 'face doesn't fit' aspect to England recently. It was definitely true about Compton (despite the private school background), and I've felt it to be true about Rashid, too. And possibly Samit Patel. Jennings was a 'good bloke', apparently. So fucking what?
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
I didn't say it was something unique to England, although for cricket, it does appear to happen a lot more in England than elsewhere, I presume for financial reasons. Andrew Symonds is the only recent one of significance that I can think of off the top of my head that was born in England and represented Australia. Anyway, me stating that Stokes is a Kiwi is no excuse for the poor behaviour of your buddy. Seeing as you appear to be his minder, you might want to have a quiet word with him.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fuck off
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Athos
Well-Known Member
Really? Do you have any reading material on this, please?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
It'd be exotic to bat on stilts but I don't think it's a good idea. The love of Crane seems to be the worst combination of England's 'in-club' mentality and the decision to pick people based on what you want rather than what you have.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Sure, but what matters is if you're good. Swann was an orthodox off spinner with no doosra. Best England spinner since Laker, arguably. Maybe Underwood gets a look in. Lyon, while he is a massive twat, is also a very good, orthodox bowler with little mystery.
And wrist spinners can go horribly wrong, of course. If Crane gets a game, I will wish him well and hope for his success, but it will be hope rather than expectation. He's done nothing.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Good point. Going back to Rashid for a second, I understand that he's had a shit season, but in odis, his googly is lethal. Nobody seems to pick it, and tailenders in particular seem at sea with him. I don't quite understand why he can't transfer that to red ball cricket.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Woah. Scary number of posts about Mason Crane. He’s there to carry the drinks and fade back into obscurity isn’t he?
Moeen being touted as playing in Adelaide as a batsman, spinning finger fucked.
Much rain and dampness in Adelaide. England may not get a better chance than this.
Moeen being touted as playing in Adelaide as a batsman, spinning finger fucked.
Much rain and dampness in Adelaide. England may not get a better chance than this.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If Moeen doesn't bowl, do they then pick Crane? Or is it seam-up all the way? That would worry me.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Another thing about mystery. Panesar used to get stick for his lack of guile, but it was unfair and misunderstood what he was trying to do. He was trying to bowl the same ball over and again. As Swann freely admits, it's very often your 'natural variation' that gets you wickets. If you don't know this particular one isn't going to turn, the batsman sure as hell doesn't.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
No. Yes. Doesn’t bother me as much as picking a spinner for the sake of it when the talent is patently not there in this squad.
I do largely agree with this. Pace bowlers generally don't get criticised for having a lack of variations. And you can be a legendary bowler without any. And for a spinner to bowl a weak delivery for the sake of it being a variation is idiotic practice. The important thing for any spinner is a quality stock ball. And as you say, there is always the natural variation from the pitch (e.g. the classic Bell LBW Warne was just a legbreak that failed to grip)
Having said that, if you have a tasty variation, it's the sauce on the steak
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
A fast bowler, but the same principle applies to all bowling, imo: A story from Ottis Gibson.
In his very over in his first 1st class match for Barbados, Malcolm Marshall was stood at mid off. First ball was a good one on a length that the batsman defended. As he walked back to his mark, he consulted with Marshall: 'what should I bowl next?' "Do that again," said Marshall. So he did that again. Next ball, same question, same answer, same result, and so on to the end of a very tidy maiden over.
I get the impression that both Anderson and Broad have learned the virtue of being boring when it's time to be boring from Gibson. It's served them well.
I'm not sure coaches are that important in cricket, but England missed a trick not appointing Gibson as their head coach when they had the chance.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Can some one explain why i got up to watch this shit bowling ?
Ffs,
PITCH IT UP!!
Ffs,
PITCH IT UP!!
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
lol, at least you got to see some bowling, I woke up and thought I had the wrong channel. Don't really want to be listening to Swann and Ponting with their purple ties so I'm going back to sleep.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Warner giving England a helping hand there.
