The Ashes 2017-18
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Fuck. Will they make enough to avoid the follow on?
- Broad just gone. Still 16 under.
- Broad just gone. Still 16 under.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yeah, there's a definitely feeling of the whole tour collapsing like last time.4-1 predictions looking challenging now.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Should enforce the follow on here, but doubt they will.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fucking hell nor cross is extra annoying in the morning
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yeah can't stand him. Dagnell, Smith and Mann all much preferable. Also I'm missing Jim Maxwell.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Just a thought, despite England's awful batting, isn't par score for 1st innings in D/N at adelaide around 250-270? So England only 30 or so runs short of that. Worth remembering England's bowling was not good enough too, especially that first spell with the new ball.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Not sure you can really come up with a par score of three games. And the groundskeeper has being trying to make the wicket less bowler friendly.
Though you're right that the bowling wasn't good enough too.
Though you're right that the bowling wasn't good enough too.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
1 down!!!
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Bloody Vaughan and his obsession with pace.
Liam Plunkett is a very good white ball cricketer, but his red ball record is not great, averages 31.5. And he only bowled 43 overs (in 2 matches) for Yorkshire last year.
Yes it would be great if England had a top pace bowler, but they don't. Picking someone just because they are fast leads to the crap like picking Boyd Rankin (who averaged 35 last year).
Liam Plunkett is a very good white ball cricketer, but his red ball record is not great, averages 31.5. And he only bowled 43 overs (in 2 matches) for Yorkshire last year.
Yes it would be great if England had a top pace bowler, but they don't. Picking someone just because they are fast leads to the crap like picking Boyd Rankin (who averaged 35 last year).
Idaho
blah blah blah
Another Dan Norcross hater here. He's got an annoying voice and says annoying things.Yeah can't stand him. Dagnell, Smith and Mann all much preferable. Also I'm missing Jim Maxwell.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Ball doing something now and England bowling better. Be very nice if they could get one more before the end.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Good point. Why no Jim Maxwell? He's still around.Yeah can't stand him. Dagnell, Smith and Mann all much preferable. Also I'm missing Jim Maxwell.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Well he was very ill (stroke I think), but he's back commentating for ABC. Maybe it was thought doing BBC as well would be too much for him?
Still a big loss.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Steve Smith has given England a sniff of a chance by not enforcing the follow on, a bit of a negative move. Perhaps would have been better off going for the kill and killing off English morale.
If England can get the Aussies out for 100-120 and transfer that momentum and positive energy to their batting then they can still win this. It doesn't seem likely at the moment but it's possible.
If England can get the Aussies out for 100-120 and transfer that momentum and positive energy to their batting then they can still win this. It doesn't seem likely at the moment but it's possible.
Casual Observer
enough
Very exciting last session. Bonkers of Smith not to enforce the follow on - a bigger clanger than Root choosing to bowl first. Pitch it up tomorrow lads.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Indeed the last session was very interesting. I do think that Smith has played it a bit too safe and might have let England off the hook however if Paine and Marsh can get the Aussie lead to 400+ with 4 sessions to go they should still be in prime position for a win. England will need to bowl the Aussies out for at most 150 to give themselves a chance.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Normally I'm a fan of enforcing it, but I wouldn't have done this time. If England had been 50-4 at the end, the match would already be as good as over. But with a tiring Aus attack, they could have been 80-1 and getting themselves back into it. Enforcing the follow-on would have maximised the chances of a result, but probably increased the chance of England winning. Australia have been burned by that before, and when you're 1-0 up in the series with Perth up next, why would you take risks? As it is, Aus are still miles ahead in this match.
It was another bizarre decision by a captain in this match. The pink ball under lights is very tricky, as the stats since it came about show. They could have knocked over the english top order by stumps. Although the tail actually looks stronger these days than the top 6.
Enjoyed watching Overton bat. One of the commentators mentioned he batted 4 in the u19 world cup a few years ago. Looked very solid.
Enjoyed watching Overton bat. One of the commentators mentioned he batted 4 in the u19 world cup a few years ago. Looked very solid.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I love ( 
) the optimism of some in here. It's always "if we can just skittle them for nothing first thing and then maybe a random herd of elephants and a dinosaur flatten the pitch out for us..."
The hope is indeed a killer.
Totally unsurprising decision by Smith, 'it's the modern way' is, I believe, the phrase, even if common sense screamed twilight + new ball = England rolled over. Even so, Australia are massively, massively ahead and they'll be more ahead when the last six wickets don't capitulate as the Kookaburra does what a Kookaburra does.
Funny to think this all happened (last session) while I was breaking up fights and being called a cunt. I'd rather have been listening to the cricket. And Jim Maxwell. Who is indeed recovering from a stroke and is only just returning.
Australia to bat until dinner then get England 4 down? Probably. But there's always a chance of those elephants and dinosaurs.
) the optimism of some in here. It's always "if we can just skittle them for nothing first thing and then maybe a random herd of elephants and a dinosaur flatten the pitch out for us..."The hope is indeed a killer.
Totally unsurprising decision by Smith, 'it's the modern way' is, I believe, the phrase, even if common sense screamed twilight + new ball = England rolled over. Even so, Australia are massively, massively ahead and they'll be more ahead when the last six wickets don't capitulate as the Kookaburra does what a Kookaburra does.
Funny to think this all happened (last session) while I was breaking up fights and being called a cunt. I'd rather have been listening to the cricket. And Jim Maxwell. Who is indeed recovering from a stroke and is only just returning.
Australia to bat until dinner then get England 4 down? Probably. But there's always a chance of those elephants and dinosaurs.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Well, I'm stupid enough to have hope and be up to watch!!!
Where are these elephants?
Where are these elephants?
If you aren't confident about scoring more runs than the other team after the end of two innings, that's an argument for NOT enforcing the follow on, because it's harder to bat on the fourth innings than the third.
The rationale for enforcing the follow on is that you will know what your target is, you know how many you need to score and how long you have to do it - really so a draw may be less likely.
I can't see that Australia losing wickets means the decision was wrong. If they can lose wickets on the third day, they can more easily lose them on the fifth.
The rationale for enforcing the follow on is that you will know what your target is, you know how many you need to score and how long you have to do it - really so a draw may be less likely.
I can't see that Australia losing wickets means the decision was wrong. If they can lose wickets on the third day, they can more easily lose them on the fifth.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Got to get this tail out now. The game is still just about alive!
