The English tail starts once the 4th wicket falls. Bring back Stokes. I seriously believe if he was there they would have won.
The Ashes 2017-18
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The English tail starts once the 4th wicket falls. Bring back Stokes. I seriously believe if he was there they would have won.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Stokes should be out there. The Aussies would never have dropped pea-brain Warner on such flimsy grounds.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He'd have made a difference, for sure. Don't agree about the tail, though. If you look at Ali and YJB's batting records for the last two years, you'll find lots of runs for both of them at averages over 40. They're not the tail, not even close.
Unfortunately, Ball lived down to my expectations, which accentuated the loss of Stokes. And Woakes was also worryingly poor. Agree with Spy about Cook as well - starting to worry about him now.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
To be fair, I think the difference in the performance of the tails was more to do with the quality of the bowling than the abilities of the Aussie lower order batsmen. On paper I suspect that the English tail would be rated as being stronger than the Aussie one. It's just that England were heavily reliant on Broad and Anderson and not much in the way of a supporting act. Captain Root appeared to be trying to use them a bit too sparingly and cocked up a bit by not giving Anderson more of the new ball when the Aussies went 7 down. That was probably the pivotal point in an otherwise fairly evenly contested match.
Well doesn't look like it's going to happen...
He must be absolutely gutted not to be there. He's probably the most Ashes compatible player in the English team (even though he's really a Kiwi ). You can imagine him really being up for this contest. Yes I think he would have made a difference especially given that Woakes and Ball were ineffective, but alas no use crying over spilt milk.
Anyway I'm happy with the result. Well done to the Aussies.
England will have another chance to redeem themselves at the pink ball test. They'll need to build on the positives from the first test however they could have done without the "headbutt" incident. (wtf was he doing?)
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Because rich people engage expensive lawyers in lengthy negotiations.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
England players hit with curfew by Strauss after losing first Ashes Test
So, who reckons a curfew will make Woakes take 5-63 instead of 1-67/0-46?
So, who reckons a curfew will make Woakes take 5-63 instead of 1-67/0-46?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So Stokes is in New Zealand and is playing in a List A match on Sunday. If he doesn't link up with the team now, it will start to become rather absurd. Why not just get him in straight away for Adelaide? If they need to have a disciplinary hearing first, do it now. That's just box-ticking.
As a day-nighter, Adelaide is almost bound to produce a result. If that isn't an England win, it's series over, I think. It's crunch time already.
In England at least, I'm not keen on day-night tests. It's too bloody cold here, it doesn't get dark early enough, and we don't need it to get people through the gates. But I'd fancy being there in a 50,000 crowd in Adelaide. That will be some spectacle.
As a day-nighter, Adelaide is almost bound to produce a result. If that isn't an England win, it's series over, I think. It's crunch time already.
In England at least, I'm not keen on day-night tests. It's too bloody cold here, it doesn't get dark early enough, and we don't need it to get people through the gates. But I'd fancy being there in a 50,000 crowd in Adelaide. That will be some spectacle.
I've just come across this Australian petition..!
Ban Ben Stokes from coming to Australia | CommunityRun
Ban Ben Stokes from coming to Australia | CommunityRun
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
I guess it depends on whose definition "formative years" you want to use...whichever definition gets him into the England team will do nicely, eh?
As far as I'm concerned he's a Kiwi.Anyway, I reckon they're currently plotting, and I won't be surprised if a way is suddenly found to parachute him into the Ashes. I'm pretty sure that his Canterbury contract will be flexible enough to allow for a quick getaway when the call comes.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You bringing your twattish opinions to the cricket threads now? Stokes came here when he was 12 and learned to play cricket here. Please fuck off somewhere else if you're going to persist with your ignorant shit even after you've had it explained to you. It's not funny. It's not clever. It's not bantz.I guess it depends on whose definition "formative years" you want to use...whichever definition gets him into the England team will do nicely, eh?
Anyway, I reckon they're currently plotting, and I won't be surprised if a way is suddenly found to parachute him into the Ashes. I'm pretty sure that his Canterbury contract will be flexible enough to allow for a quick getaway when the call comes.
When Linford Christie was winning medals, he was Britain's Linford Christie. When he failed a drugs test, he suddenly became, in many newspapers, Jamaica-born Linford Christie. That's the level of ignorance you are bringing here.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
As far as I'm concerned nobody gives a fuck what you think.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Yeah well it looks like you're wrong with that. One crazed individual appears to have given enough of a fuck to migrate his beef and grievance all the way from an unrelated thread, even though I specifically asked him several times very nicely to go away. I think he's got issues.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't follow you, I follow threads on cricket, and have done for as long as I have been here. Fuck off, you total fucking cunt.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
ECB won't do their disciplinary thing until whatever legal proceedings are concluded. The police have now handed the matter over to the CPS but they'll take weeks to make up their minds either way.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
So it would appear that you've declared yourself as the thread monitor eh? Did I miss the vote or is this one of those North Korean type dictatorships?
You have rudely interrupted a conversation that had nothing to do with you with a bad attitude, and all this after I specifically requested that you stop with the stalking shit. Do you not understand English?
Well, that's kinda my point. That is what the English do, steal folk from other countries claiming them to be English/British. If they're any good at sport then they're definitely "one of us". As soon as anything dodgy happens they revert back to their country of origin. Andy Murray was definitely more Scottish than British before he started winning Grand Slams. Stokes was born in Kiwiland, both his parents are Kiwi, he went to school there until he was 11, so I can call him a Kiwi if I want to, you can call him whatever you like, I promise I won't get too upset if you have a different point of view and I won't have a meltdown, honest I won't.
And while we're at it, how about some more past and present fake Englishmen...
Andy Caddick - Kiwi (even had "Hadlee" twin sweatbands)
Roland Butcher - Bajan
Robin Smith - South African
Graeme Hick - Zimbwabean
Tony Grieg - South African
Ben/Adam Holioake - Baggy Greens
Devon Malcolm - Jamaican
Jason Roy - Springbok
Chris Lewis - Guyanese
Robin Jackman - Indian
Kevin Peitersen - South African
Greg Thomas - Welsh
Norman Cowans - Jamaican
Eoin Morgan - Irish
Monty Lynch - Guyanese
Keaton Jennings - Springbok
Phil "Daffy" Defrietas - Dominican
Gladstone Small - Bajan
Jonathan Trott - Springbok
Nasser Hussain - Indian
Matt Prior - Springbok
Simon Jones - Welsh
Chris Jordan - Bajan
Ed Joyce - Irish
Andrew Strauss - South African
Allan Lamb - Springbok
and one that went the other way...
Craig White - English (brought up in kangarooland - did the opposite of a Stokesy)
...there's probably a good few others that I've missed out.
Incidently one of my favourite players, Gordon Greenidge, born in Barbados learned his cricket at a school in Reading, could have played for England but made the correct decision to play instead for the West Indies...and the rest is history.
Now if you're going to get all grumpy and sulky just because you don't find my style of sporting banter to your liking then I suggest you give my posts a wide berth. tbh I'm still a bit bemused as to why my posts appear to exert some sort of gravitational pull on you. What's all that about?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Can't we all just agree to ignore the pratt. Otherwise he's going to fill the thread with this crap.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Believe me I've tried ignoring, I've tried not responding to his posts and yet he still shows up. I'm not sure why he's brought beef into this thread, especially when Reiabuzz was able to disagree with my "kiwi" point without any unpleasantness at all. He appears to have some major issues.
Hang on...no wait...
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Born and raised in London. Why?
The governing body is the ECB The England and Wales Cricket Board. There is an England team, there isn't an however there isn't either an "England and Wales" team or a Wales team. ( and Hugh Morris doesn't want one )
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
There’ve been scores of players in many sports representing the national sides of countries they weren’t born in. Australia have had at least 25 test cricketers born overseas including a dozen or so Brits. It’s not a particulary English thing.
Are you going to be dealing with the racially offensive remarks you made on the other thread PaoloSanchez ?
Are you going to be dealing with the racially offensive remarks you made on the other thread PaoloSanchez ?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ah is that was this is about - which thread?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He referred to “the blacks” on the ‘angry vegan’ thread and compared eating meat to slavery (or something).
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh Lord. Ta, that in line with the a dog born in stable isn't a horse stuff doesn't look good. Or very promising for the thread.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He’s been getting absolutely battered by LBJ and has resorted to increasingly bizarre arguments, hence the beef.
