The 2024 UK General Election - news, speculation and updates

[moochedit]

Oh and Penny Mordaunt lost her seat ..

Why did nobody tell me this?

 

[PR1Berske]

Do we think there is going to be legal challenges over the postal vote issues?

There is almost no legal recourse to go down. Will be interesting to see if people try!

 

[TopCat]

Starmer had better be nice to Larry the cat or he can get fucked.

What are your demands regarding the border? Especially now the number of SF MP’s has increased?

 

[inva]

Good news from the BBC:

Notably, turnout is well down compared to recent elections. At the moment, it looks as though it could fall to 60%. This will be the second lowest turnout ever in a UK election since 1885. Only the 59% in 2001 was lower.

 

[PR1Berske]

Truss coming up!

Her face!

 

[JimW]

So more anti-Gaza massacre independents that Reform MPs?

 

[The39thStep]

Can see some of that - also people from the bits just outside of London. Most people who move out of London do so for money reasons. but the people who move from outer London to Clacton are white flight.

There are some nice parts of Clacton, too.

Southend was going the same way but it has good train connections to London, which fits well with hybrid working. It's still very right wing but basically it has jobs and hope. Clacton has neither.

All the more reason for Labour to tackle levelling up where regional inequalities exist rather than withdraw candiddates.

 

[Knotted]

Well it looks like Labour have less votes than in 2019. We have an insane electoral system.

 

[chilango]

Softest landslide ever.

 

[Duncan2]

So more anti-Gaza massacre independents that Reform MPs?

As I think Maitlis mentioned Labour shortly to be newly in possession of the legal advice on Gaza so no more depleted uranium to Israel ( hopefully)

 

[Lord Camomile]

Obviously it would be disingenuous to suggest that number of seats doesn't matter, but...



Starmer's Labour has managed to just squeeze out more votes than Miliband's

 

[steveo87]

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In case your struggling to keep up with the numbers, The News Agents have this handy compendium of unemployed Tory MPs.

 

[pbsmooth]

Well it looks like Labour have less votes than in 2019. We have an insane electoral system.

I mean… it’s not really insane. Kinda how most democracies do it.

 

[tommers]

The loss in 2019 was largely due to Brexit.

This win is due to the Conservatives imploding and Reform taking over large parts of their vote share.

It's got nothing to do with the grown ups being back in the room. My gut feeling is that if they'd run anything that actually proposed any kind of change then this would have been even bigger.

Imagine a Corbyn style manifesto but with somebody who half the population didn't think was a terrorist.

What a waste.

 

[alex_]

Steve Baker on the radio saying it's a relief that he lost and admonishing the electorate for putting tory staffers' mortgages at risk

That’s not what he was saying at 2200 !

 

[YouSir]

I mean… it’s not really insane. Kinda how most democracies do it.

Doesn't make it any less shit a system. Millions of people are rendered more or less completely irrelevant, which doesn't seem all that democratic.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Imagine a Corbyn style manifesto but with somebody who half the population didn't think was a terrorist.

Genuinely not quite as sarky as it'll sound, but just how likely would that be?

I mean, they may not be branded 'terrorist', but would anyone presenting Corbyn-style manifesto get away without being branded something?

 

[pbsmooth]

Doesn't make it any less shit a system. Millions of people are rendered more or less completely irrelevant, which doesn't seem all that democratic.

the world is all ears for your better system…

 

[The39thStep]

Bottoms up

 

[Lord Camomile]

the world is all ears for your better system…

Everyone make their different cases to me, and I will make a reasoned decisions based on the arguments and evidence

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[Knotted]

The loss in 2019 was largely due to Brexit.

This win is due to the Conservatives imploding and Reform taking over large parts of their vote share.

It's got nothing to do with the grown ups being back in the room. My gut feeling is that if they'd run anything that actually proposed any kind of change then this would have been even bigger.

Imagine a Corbyn style manifesto but with somebody who half the population didn't think was a terrorist.

What a waste.

As much as I would like to believe that narrative, Corbyn was very good at uniting the right/centre right vote against him and Starmer is very good at allowing Tory voters to stay at home or switch to Reform. I doubt Corbyn would have got as big a majority.

It's not a case of the grown-ups being in charge but it's a fact that there's a lot of right wingers out there and left haven't won the argument yet. Neither have Starmer/centrist of course, but triangulation works.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Four pro-palestine independent wins. No idea what the individuals are like but they would do well to join forces. They're as big a faction as refuck or the greens.

 

[ska invita]

Tories hold Bromley seat and Orpington

Frustrating, I hoped this was the election it would flip ska invita

Aye......On the plus side Beckenham has gone Labour for the first time, but only because of boundary change that now includes the People's Republic of Penge

 

[ska invita]

Four pro-palestine independent wins. No idea what the individuals are like but they would do well to join forces. They're as big a faction as refuck or the greens.

Could join the Greens too

 

[YouSir]

the world is all ears for your better system…

PR is the obvious choice, assuming a mass revolution and direct democracy isn't on the horizon.

 

[Lord Camomile]

A guy who was in the other class in my year at primary school beat Reform to fourth for the Greens in my 'home' constituency, though

Fuck me! The guy who was our UNISON branch's LGBT+ and Labour Link officer last year, and then suddenly dropped off the radar, just won his constituency from the Tories!

 

[tommers]

Genuinely not quite as sarky as it'll sound, but just how likely would that be?

I mean, they may not be branded 'terrorist', but would anyone presenting Corbyn-style manifesto get away without being branded something?

Yeah sure but, for example, Starmer is a Sir, ex head of the DPP etc etc. Would probably get an easier ride than an old lefty who's sat with the IRA and wore an old coat once or something.

In this election people were absolutely screaming out for change. But the only people who offered that were Reform (and the Greens). Look at the turnout. Everybody is so fucked off. Imagine if Labour had actually offered something meaningful.

Look at the Gaza independents. Single issue independents taking seats from a party winning a landslide!

The worry for me is that they won't look at that, they'll look at 400 seats and be "our mandate from the public is very clear and we'll carry on like the govt has for the past fifteen years, it will be fine, there's no magic money tree" and get absolutely obliterated next time round.

 

[Knotted]

Four pro-palestine independent wins. No idea what the individuals are like but they would do well to join forces. They're as big a faction as refuck or the greens.

Amazing and unprecedented. But also missed by the MRPs.

 

[philosophical]

What are your demands regarding the border? Especially now the number of SF MP’s has increased?

I suppose the most realistic hope is the border poll.
It could lead to a United country on the island of Ireland, but even with a ‘democratic’ process there will be violence from Unionists in pain.