redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
A social democrat speaks
UK election poll: Islington North
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Starry Wisdom
There are only 4 letters in twat
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Have posted this before, it is damning
Fifty times Jeremy Corbyn stood with Jewish people
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I think digital media has made this worse. If you don't already read about politics your feed is just full of whatever you do read, be that sports, entertainment gossip or whatever.
In the old days people would buy newspapers for the sports and end up finding out about major political events, even if they didn't watch the news. It is very possible now for people to be unaware of what is happening in Gaza in a way it wasn't before.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It might be possible for people not to be aware of what's going on in gaza, sure there are some people who have managed to evade hearing about it. But it's bloody difficult given the range and size of protests across the country, not to mention the volume of people talking about it.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I've spent a few days and evenings door knocking in my constituency over the last month - I must have spoken to 500+ random people.
There's a cohort out there - and I don't mean a trace element - who didn't know there was an election on. There's a cohort out there who knew there was an election on (in the same way I know there's some sportsball on) but who didn't know or care who was playing. There's a cohort out there who don't know who Sunak or Starmer or Führage is, there's a cohort out there who assumed that Johnson was still PM but didn't know whether he was Tory or Labour.
As Rimbaud says, it's really easy to live your life completely divorced from this stuff - if you watch Netflix and Disney, and your Facebook algorithm is set for cat videos, it would be quite possible to not know there was an election on or who was playing.
The only times I hear pop music since the age of 15 or whatever is when my kids are in the car - I could name perhaps half a dozen pop musicians (some of whome probably retired 15 years ago...), I might recognise some songs that I've heard before, but I wouldn't have a clue who sang them, or what they looked like. Same with football - I'm aware that there's some football on, but I don't know (because I don't care, and have no interest..) what teams are playing or who wins, or what tournament it is.
Modern media makes it very easy to silo, and if politics/news isn't one of the silos you get your feeds from, this stuff might as well be on Neptune for all the contact you have with it.
There's a cohort out there - and I don't mean a trace element - who didn't know there was an election on. There's a cohort out there who knew there was an election on (in the same way I know there's some sportsball on) but who didn't know or care who was playing. There's a cohort out there who don't know who Sunak or Starmer or Führage is, there's a cohort out there who assumed that Johnson was still PM but didn't know whether he was Tory or Labour.
As Rimbaud says, it's really easy to live your life completely divorced from this stuff - if you watch Netflix and Disney, and your Facebook algorithm is set for cat videos, it would be quite possible to not know there was an election on or who was playing.
The only times I hear pop music since the age of 15 or whatever is when my kids are in the car - I could name perhaps half a dozen pop musicians (some of whome probably retired 15 years ago...), I might recognise some songs that I've heard before, but I wouldn't have a clue who sang them, or what they looked like. Same with football - I'm aware that there's some football on, but I don't know (because I don't care, and have no interest..) what teams are playing or who wins, or what tournament it is.
Modern media makes it very easy to silo, and if politics/news isn't one of the silos you get your feeds from, this stuff might as well be on Neptune for all the contact you have with it.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
You'd be surprised how many people don't get out much. I work with some people who live in North Tyneside who say they never go into Newcastle City Centre. No chance of such people seeing any protests.
Edit - also a lot of people have no sense of curiosity and just tune out smaller demos as background noise.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Add to this - it also depends very much on where you go out. I don't doubt that if I went to London on a Saturday, I'd see Palestine stuff. We went into Birmingham in the run up to Christmas, and we saw Palestine stuff, same in Bristol.
But, we're out and about most weekends - Shrewsbury, Newtown, Welshpool, Builth, Leominster, Hereford, Worcester, Ross, Monmouth, Gloucester, Cheltenham, Cirencester, Stratford, Banbury, Nottingham - and we have seen one demo: Worcester - about two dozen people, in October.
We see the odd Palestinian flag, but we see as many Pride flags, and certainly far more Union flags, English flags, Welsh flags, and probably as many EU flags.
If it's in your silo, it's probably everywhere, but if it's not in your silo - Neptune.
yeah, I've seen Corbyn posters all over Islington so I'm looking forward to this result...
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Quick answer: he isn’t.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
But... but... it was in the papers!!!!!11!!
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
"How happy is the moron, he doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron - my god, perhaps I am."
(NB - no moronism detected in your post, old bean, that's just what I was reminded of).
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Well now! I came across an online archive of the Eugenics Review a while back. Amazingly, it continued publication well into the 1960s. You'd think after the war there'd be at least one person who'd put their hand up and say "lads, I think we made a mistake", but apparently not.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
I always try the "office worker test". Sometimes we'll have one of those commercial stations in the background, the same songs every ten minutes in-between adverts, and for about 15 seconds an hour somebody will rush through the headlines. If anything registers at all there might be some comment but it's simply true that news is something wholly disconnected to people who aren't generally 'plugged in'. Nobody, not one single person, with whom I work has mentioned Israel or Hamas or Gaza once in months, maybe since Christmas. And why? The commercial radio stations don't mention it, they don't go out of their way to read about it, and nobody brings it up in conversation.
I'm not about to stand up and say, "stop processing medical records, everybody, let's talk about Hamas incursions into Israeli territory'. My salary is more important than starting a debating society in an everyday office in suburban England.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Sometimes. Not always complimentary things (I'm a fence sitting Charles Kennedy-era don't scare the horses type person, so most things aren't complimentary to my ears).
For this conversation I've been trying to find the statistics on accessing news. It's something like 10 minutes a day for the typical person, and with the collapse in trust in 'mainstream news', it's no surprise to hear more people entrenched in opinions without wanting to hear two sides.
A colleague explained to me that since Brexit, two elections, Covid, and everything connected to those things, it's no surprise that people are just switching off. Our own lives are important, much else has been zoned out from.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Break down by age and the amount of tv news consumed is even lower by younger people...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
My friend who's had a stroke has not got out in the past 18 months but is still well aware of gaza etc
There was very little comment where I work when the queen died. None when philip died. None when thatcher died tho our union branch secretary was in pictures of a thatcher party. Didn't mean people weren't aware of those things. There's things you talk to your colleagues about and things you don't and very little news receives discussion at work. Your office worker test is a daft one given the context of office chit chat.
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PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
One day you and I will have an interaction where it doesn't feel like I'm being wafted away by a dismissive form tutor.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The figures for young people and TikTok is remarkable. And look at the results, Reform on 23% amongst the young.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
One day you'll make a post which doesn't merit dismissal
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh it's a mistake to think young people are all labour voters in waiting
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And lo and behold such a post appears
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Dodgy poll with a tiny sample of 201, though. I can’t find any other 16-17 year old polls, perhaps because all the reputable pollsters seem to limit respondents to adults.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
But not one about my enquiry as to whether or not his trade union has a position on Gaza
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Baby steps, The39thStep, baby steps. He's working his way up to it no doubt
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yep, I read the ofcom report on media habits each year, it’s really useful stuff. Helps understand how news consumption works across the demographics and explains why so many people many not even realise things that are obvious to those of us who are paying close attention…
