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Originally posted by willysnout
as much as some on this board prefer not to consider it, because it dilutes the argument against this action -- is that Saddam's regime is oppressive and hated.
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Oh, come on. So much is clear. The question is whether that's got anything to do with US motivation. The news in N Iraq at least makes that doubtful.

Turkey is clearly telling lies - observers say that an army has invaded the Kurdish autonomous zone. (bbc - radio, sorry) This appalling news and will stoke up real problems for the future. Seems US is letting down the Kurds, (following in the footsteps of Britain)

Now the US has decided not to enter their army via the northern route - they're sailing all the way round, there will be no force capable of opposing/monitoring the Turkish army. Bastards.

How do we get the demand for a united independent Kurdistan straddling Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq onto the agenda?


edited to add Syria, jeez
 
Originally posted by bruise
Oh, come on. So much is clear. The question is whether that's got anything to do with US motivation.
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I think it's a secondary motivation, just as freeing the planation slaves was a secondary motivation in the U.S. Civil War of 1861-1865 and liberating France was a secondary motivation in World War II. But secondary motivations are often good enough. All other things being equal, and as corny as it will sound to you, Americans prefer to liberate rather than to conquer.

Turkey is clearly telling lies - observers say that an army has invaded the Kurdish autonomous zone. (bbc - radio, sorry) This appalling news and will stoke up real problems for the future. Seems US is letting down the Kurds, (following in the footsteps of Britain)

Now the US has decided not to enter their army via the northern route - they're sailing all the way round, there will be no force capable of opposing/monitoring the Turkish army. Bastards.

How do we get the demand for a united independent Kurdistan straddling Iran/Turkey and Iraq onto the agenda?
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This is a difficult set of issues, but I also don't think any of us has accurate information. I think it's a tad bit too soon to comment.
 
Military-led crews are ready to scour Iraq for weapons
BY MIKE DORNING
Chicago Tribune

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - As U.S. forces press deeper into Iraq, military-led teams are in place in the Persian Gulf region to swiftly search occupied territory for weapons of mass destruction and related materials, senior government officials said.

The search teams' work is unusual in the history of armed conflict. Their findings could prove crucial to the strategic and diplomatic success of a war fought in the name of ridding Iraq of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.

Bush administration officials would discuss only broad outlines of the teams' composition and work. But details that have circulated among disarmament experts and weapons inspectors are stirring some criticism from outside the government.

Some complain that the effort, which the Defense Department began planning six months ago, is hastily conceived and too much of an afterthought, given that the stated U.S. war aim is disarmament. Also, some contend that the search for weapons would benefit from an affiliation with an international organization that could help assure the U.S. government was not manipulating the findings.

re-read the last sentence.
 
Iraq Moving Missiles for More Attacks - NY Times
Sat March 22, 2003 03:38 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Iraqi forces have been repositioning surface-to-surface missiles and are expected to attempt more missile attacks against advancing U.S. troops, The New York Times said on Saturday, citing senior American officials.


Senior American officials also said missiles fired by Iraq at neighboring Kuwait over recent days were not fired at random, but carefully targeted based on intelligence Iraq received on the locations of U.S. units, according to The New York Times.

Iraq has fired six Ababil-100 missiles at various targets, the article said, but four of the six missiles have been shot down by Patriot interceptors. The other two dropped harmlessly into the desert and the nearby Gulf.
 
radio-canada (french canada's cbc) are reporting that large areas of baghdad are now without electricity.
 
affiliation with an international organization that could help assure the U.S. government was not manipulating the findings.
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There was a little reference on either Fox News (yeah I know, I washed my TV after), or CNN about the emails sent by bin Laden complaining about the search operations making his life difficult!!!

Clearly no pandering to $$$$Tayyrrrorrrrrist$$$$ doctrine there!

Further anyone old enough will remember sampans in Vietnam, this fucking pretext diplomacy has gone totally mad!!
 
Pentagon Briefing 1000-2000 Iraqi POW... (approc 2108Z)

Couldn't answer what happened to the claimed 8000 -- more bullshit gonna start a rthread on this

Trom
 
2120Z Spokesman won't confirm what was confirmed yesterday that an Airfield near Jordan was taken by special forces.

Yesterday Iraq claimed it had repelled an invasion coming from jordan.

Whats happening in west Iraq?


Hmmm plot thickens

Trom
 
Tens of thousands in U.S. march against Iraq war
By Ellen Wulfhorst

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in cities across the United States on Saturday to protest the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Marchers stretched more than five km down Broadway in New York City, chanting "No Blood for Oil" and carrying signs such as "Support Our Troops. Bring Them Home," "Peace is Patriotic" and "You Can't Save A Country By Bombing It."

Unofficial estimates put the crowd at 150,000 to 250,000.



Thousands take to streets across Canada to protest war in Iraq


Anti-war protesters burn an American flag outside the U.S. embassy in Ottawa Saturday.(CP/Jonathan Hayward)-->
(CP) - Tens of thousands of chanting, banner-waving protesters crowded a major Montreal boulevard Saturday in the largest protest in Canada - and possibly the world - to urge an end to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
Some protesters burned an American flag in front of Montreal's U.S. consulate as others chanted "no to war, yes to peace" and "Bush, terrorist." A handful of others threw objects at riot police but a Montreal police spokesman said there were no arrests.

An American flag was also burned Saturday at a rally in Halifax, where about 2,000 people weaved their way through downtown streets.

The Montreal rally was similar in size to one that brought 250,000 people downtown last weekend prior to the start of the U.S. campaign to oust dictator Saddam Hussein.
 
Originally posted by Lock&Light
Basra has been reported to have fallen. The allies are being warmly greeted by the inhabitants.
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A notorious prison and torture chamber operated by the Iraqi security services is located in Basra. Once the city has indeed fallen, I will be eager to learn of the fate of the political prisoners there. Let's hope they have been freed. Their stories need to be heard.
 
The missing ITN journalists:

Newsnight interviewed someone who was with them in a car. He reports that they drew up alongside a group of Iraqis in another car. The next thing they knew, they were fired at.

The surviver was driving. The others got out when the bullets came. It appears this man drove away, not noticing that they had got out.

The firing came from British positions, he thinks.
 
SAN FRANCISCO, Mar 22, 2003 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Despite common predictions of a short campaign, America's military community anticipates that "Operation Iraqi Freedom" will extend beyond one month and that the subsequent U.S. military occupation will be long-term.
Forty-nine percent of respondents to a Military.com/WIRED Magazine Iraq Conflict Survey predict that the war will last longer than 30 days, with nearly 20 percent projecting that the conflict will continue for more than three months.

Respondents don't see an easy engagement with the Iraqi military: 77 percent believe that Iraq's military will put up moderate resistance, and 6 percent believe they will encounter heavy resistance. The use of biologic or chemical weapons is seen as very or somewhat likely by 80 percent.

In addition, 52 percent of the sample 1,672 of active duty personnel and veterans predict that a post-war U.S. military occupation will last longer than two years. Only 9 percent feel that an American presence would be less than one year.

When asked about North Korea, 75 percent believe North Korea to be an equal or greater threat to US security than Iraq.

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm?id=0...2B1-2AAF-11D5-867D00D0B74A0D7C&l=215900030322
 
Saturday March 22, 2003 10:20 PM


- U.S. and British forces tightened the noose around Iraq's second-largest city, Basra, taking its airport and a bridge. Saddam Hussein's security forces resisted with artillery and heavy machine guns. Military leaders intend not to storm and destroy the city but to force Iraqis to surrender and avoid a bloody urban conflict.
 
from bbc reporter diaries :

"The British units have moved north from here too into Iraq. The British say they want to surround Basra and see what resistance there is, they want to test the water and see what reception they might get before entering the city. They don't want to get into street fighting there. "

.......... so basra is still not 'taken'.

edited to add : 22:13 GMt sat 22nd March
 
.......... so basra is still not 'taken'.
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Basra airport only is under control, same as port facilities of Umm Qasar. These towns as yet are not under control.

Fighting in Najaf has started; the fighting in or around this area could prove to be very bloody, and perhaps controversial.

The liberation of the to be liberated is not going as per plan! Evidently Iraqis don’t watch Fox News, and do not subscribe to the current invasion of the liberators with the anticipated open arms!

One of the very few gutsy reporters let it be known that the mass of people who had gathered around were swearing at Bush, and Blair, with bitter highly insulting words of Arabic. Further so far portraits of Saddam seem to have been left in tact, other than the few pulled down by the soldiers!


Finally, the current number of POW are confirmed at around 2000, which falls short of the claims of 51st division surrender, it alone consists of 8000 souls!
 
Originally posted by Stibs
A grenade has just been thrown into the command tent of the American 101st airborne division in Kuwait.
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10 injured - none dead apparently.

It was described as a terrorist attack on Sky News. :confused:
 
i'm not sure if the grenade attack was on a 'command tent'. here they are reporting that it was a terrorist attack on a tent full of sleeping soldiers, followed by a small arms attack. - however, the network reporting this has been known to take everything reported at face value - then report later that they were in error.

however, it does sound like there is a good possibility that there has been a grenade attack on the rear area of the american force encampment by 'irregular' troops. (read 'terrorists')
 
I'm confused. If Andy McNabb tells his story of indiscriminate killings behind enemy lines, that's heroic. If something like that gets inflicted on the military of our side, it's terrorism. :confused:

Terrorism: the inflictions of panic or distress on a civilian population for political ends.
 
PRAVDA:

USA Steals Iraq’s Assets

The Bush administration and its allies have added thievery to its growing list of criminal actions after three days of terrorist and murderous activities in Iraq have left hundreds of civilians injured and at least five dead. These are war crimes. Bush, Rumsfeld, Blair, Hoon and their administrations are terrorists, murderers and war criminals.

Washington has stolen 1,740,000,000 USD of Iraqi assets held in the United States of America in 18 banks, claiming that it will be sued for the reconstruction of Iraq after the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime. In a further action of blatant arrogance, Washington asked the international community to close Iraqi embassies and to expel its diplomats, a move which was met with a humiliating and resounding No, almost without exception.

Washington claims that none of the ambassadors appointed by the Ba’ath regime of Saddam Hussein will be allowed to perform their duties by the new government of Iraq (which it has already carefully chosen). http://english.pravda.ru/usa/2003/03/23/44874.html


no matter what you think of pravda - this is news cause it shows that russia is pretty pissed at the US
 
Looks like another night of heaving bombing then :(

other news..someone penetrated the camp of the 101st Airborne Division and rolled grenades into tents, seriously wounding six soldiers.

<edit - i cant type for shit tonight>
 
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