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Oh fuck, I hate this!
It is so unnecessary!
It is so unnecessary!
BBC says the reason the troops haven't quite finished taking control of Umm Qasr is: 'some Iraq troops have shed their uniforms and are mixing among the urban population. They are using small arms and rocket launchers to harass allied troops. This type of tactic is difficult to counter' No shit Sherlock. It's precisely the kind of tactics used by the Chechens against the Russians in Grozny.
A general overview of this stuff is here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/mout.htm
and the unpleasant specifics are here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/MOUTThomas.htm
If enough Irai troops have the morale to keep doing this stuff, we can all forget about a quick 'clean' war. I guess we'll see ...
A general overview of this stuff is here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/mout.htm
and the unpleasant specifics are here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/MOUTThomas.htm
If enough Irai troops have the morale to keep doing this stuff, we can all forget about a quick 'clean' war. I guess we'll see ...
I'm not sure after yesterday how much resistance the Iraqi's will put up. War is wrong, but it certainly was the "shock and awe" they were hoping for.
Also, how can two sea-kings over international water, carrying the most sophisticated detection equipment known to man collide with one another
Tubthumper
thumps tubs
Huge convoy of allied tanks and vehicles moving into Umm Qasr
WHSpliff.net
Wazzzups? Smoking a bud!
How many times yesterday did Allied forces get reported as saying they had taken Umm Qasr - FIVE
How many times yesterday did Iraq get reported as saying it was not taken - ONCE
Wake-up this morning, and bugger me it's still not taken!
Who's been lieing
How many times yesterday did Iraq get reported as saying it was not taken - ONCE
Wake-up this morning, and bugger me it's still not taken!
Who's been lieing
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
you read my mind, spliffy!
bbc report mass surrenders and show pictures, but isn't this against the geneva convention of pow's. ie. once held pictures of them can't be shown or used to demoralise.
also, that site i posted is experiencing heavy traffic but they ticker-tape report that "Iraq criticizes Annan...Turkey sends troops to northern Iraq...Rocket hits Iranian oil refinery depot".
A rocket hitting an oil refinery can't be good
also, that site i posted is experiencing heavy traffic but they ticker-tape report that "Iraq criticizes Annan...Turkey sends troops to northern Iraq...Rocket hits Iranian oil refinery depot".
A rocket hitting an oil refinery can't be good
Basra has been reported to have fallen. The allies are being warmly greeted by the inhabitants.
WHSpliff.net
Wazzzups? Smoking a bud!
But can we believe it?
How many times can one place fall
Now Nasiraya (sp?) is being reported as captured.
Tromaville
Substandard in every way
Umm Qasr still partially in Iraqi hands as of 1330 GMT ... this town actually straddles the border.
I hope the war is going to be short and quick (for all involved) but if allies are finding it hard to fight the Regular conscript army in a town literally on the border then it looks like it might drag out a bit.
Trom
I hope the war is going to be short and quick (for all involved) but if allies are finding it hard to fight the Regular conscript army in a town literally on the border then it looks like it might drag out a bit.
Trom
That could be good news for Manchester United and Newcastle.
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Four people have been killed in a suicide bombing at a checkpoint near the northern Iraqi town of Halabja.
The bomber drove up in a taxi and detonated the device, killing himself and a journalist filming nearby.
The other dead were Kurdish peshmerga fighters
bbc
The bomber drove up in a taxi and detonated the device, killing himself and a journalist filming nearby.
The other dead were Kurdish peshmerga fighters
bbc
grubby local
tapir wanker
really valuable thread. thanks everyone, keep posting. hard to get news here
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joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Thousands of angry protesters from Japan to New Zealand marched Saturday against the U.S.-led war in Iraq, in some cases condemning their own governments for supporting the United States.
Demonstrators marched on the U.S. Navy base in Yokosuka - headquarters of the Seventh Fleet - just south of Tokyo, police said.
About 15,000 protesters rallied in Dhaka, Bangladesh, during a half-day strike called to protest the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
Demonstrators in Seoul, South Korea, condemned their country's decision to send non-combat troops to support the war in Iraq.
About 2,000 activists rallied and waved placards that read, ``No war'' and ``We oppose dispatching troops to the war.'
In India, hundreds of protesters were stopped from reaching the U.S. embassy in New Delhi.
In New Zealand, thousands of chanting demonstrators marched through the streets of the three main cities, calling for an immediate end to the conflict.
The war in Iraq also prompted Pakistan to canceled its National Day celebrations, which had been scheduled for Sunday.
``In view of the sad and tragic developments in Iraq and the deep anguish caused to the people of Pakistan, the government of Pakistan has decided to cancel the Pakistan day parade,'' said a government statement.
Demonstrators marched on the U.S. Navy base in Yokosuka - headquarters of the Seventh Fleet - just south of Tokyo, police said.
About 15,000 protesters rallied in Dhaka, Bangladesh, during a half-day strike called to protest the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
Demonstrators in Seoul, South Korea, condemned their country's decision to send non-combat troops to support the war in Iraq.
About 2,000 activists rallied and waved placards that read, ``No war'' and ``We oppose dispatching troops to the war.'
In India, hundreds of protesters were stopped from reaching the U.S. embassy in New Delhi.
In New Zealand, thousands of chanting demonstrators marched through the streets of the three main cities, calling for an immediate end to the conflict.
The war in Iraq also prompted Pakistan to canceled its National Day celebrations, which had been scheduled for Sunday.
``In view of the sad and tragic developments in Iraq and the deep anguish caused to the people of Pakistan, the government of Pakistan has decided to cancel the Pakistan day parade,'' said a government statement.
WHSpliff.net
Wazzzups? Smoking a bud!
This is one of the growing number of 'independent' crews heading to the area, Sky's got one team in the south already.
These are not attached to troop units and can report more freely, better reporting to follow....
the scouser
the voice of reason!
Sat March 22, 2003 10:08 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Four U.S. soldiers were killed on Saturday in central Iraq, according to a reporter from Britain's Sky TV who was traveling with them.
Journalist Colin Brazier said the four reconnaissance scouts were ambushed while driving Humvee jeeps at the head of the column.
"Rocket-propelled grenades were fired, one at each Humvee, (they) killed both sets of occupants," he said in a brief live report on TV.
Baghdad is under a thickening cloud of smoke, possibely from oil filled trenches set alight.
LONDON (Reuters) - Four U.S. soldiers were killed on Saturday in central Iraq, according to a reporter from Britain's Sky TV who was traveling with them.
Journalist Colin Brazier said the four reconnaissance scouts were ambushed while driving Humvee jeeps at the head of the column.
"Rocket-propelled grenades were fired, one at each Humvee, (they) killed both sets of occupants," he said in a brief live report on TV.
Baghdad is under a thickening cloud of smoke, possibely from oil filled trenches set alight.
foo
dirtysweet
Stuck here at home, I've been channelhopping since last night and I'm surprised to say that Sky do seem to have the best coverage.
They are a good 5 minutes ahead of the BBC when something happens it seems, and there has been some amazing live footage of reporters on the road. They also seem to be managing to do without the constant repeating that ITV and the BBC have been (irritatingly) doing.
They are a good 5 minutes ahead of the BBC when something happens it seems, and there has been some amazing live footage of reporters on the road. They also seem to be managing to do without the constant repeating that ITV and the BBC have been (irritatingly) doing.
WHSpliff.net
Wazzzups? Smoking a bud!
Yep, said something likewise on another thread - I am well impressed with Sky and their link-up with Fox helps, but they are keeping coverage very British despite that.
They have also dropped all advertising despite being a 'free to air' channel, when they could be cashing in (ads= cost per thousand viwers) - mustbe going for the rewards for war coverage!
OK Murdoch's involved, but his company only has 37.5% of Sky, and no editorial control - ITC keeps an eye on that.
They were the first with live pics from inside south Iraq and first with an independent crew in the country (not travelling with US/UK troops or under Saddam's restrictions).
Top marks - hard to say it, but they are crapping on ITV and somewhat ahead of Aunty Beeb
DJ Squelch
King Of Insides
The Jamat-e-Islami party of Iraq's Kurdistan
(Islamic Society of Kurdistan) on Friday strongly criticized the
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) for "giving the green light" to US troops to launch missile attacks on its bases in northern Iraq.
The party in a statement stressed that the PUK was responsible forUS air blitz on the party's positions, describing the Union's stances to the effect as "most wicked and despicable".
Asked whether the real target of US air blitz was the bases of theAnsar al-Islam, Soleyman said the US forces had acted against the Jamat "under the pretext of action against the Ansar".
"However, we, without any exemption, will be ultimately targeted by them." Soleyman said the Jamat-e-Islami had "moderate" ties with the Ansar al-Islam, and stressed that each party had its own particular
viewpoints. IRNA At least sixty people were killed or
injured in a Saturday US-led missile attack on the northernKurdish city of Khaneqin, east of Sulaimaniya, local sources in this western Iranian border city
said. The toll came as US forces fired more than 100 Tomahawk missiles into the stronghold of Ansar al-Islam, a shadowy group with alleged links to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. link An Iranian official has rejected allegations that members of Ansar al-Islam, injured during US and British attacks on the stronghold of the shadowy group in northern Iraq, had been transferred to the Islamic Republic for treatment.
"Rumors of this kind are aimed to drag the Islamic Republic into the Iraq crisis and undermine Iran's neutral stance (in the confrontation)," he added.
link
(Islamic Society of Kurdistan) on Friday strongly criticized the
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) for "giving the green light" to US troops to launch missile attacks on its bases in northern Iraq.
The party in a statement stressed that the PUK was responsible forUS air blitz on the party's positions, describing the Union's stances to the effect as "most wicked and despicable".
Asked whether the real target of US air blitz was the bases of theAnsar al-Islam, Soleyman said the US forces had acted against the Jamat "under the pretext of action against the Ansar".
"However, we, without any exemption, will be ultimately targeted by them." Soleyman said the Jamat-e-Islami had "moderate" ties with the Ansar al-Islam, and stressed that each party had its own particular
viewpoints. IRNA At least sixty people were killed or
injured in a Saturday US-led missile attack on the northernKurdish city of Khaneqin, east of Sulaimaniya, local sources in this western Iranian border city
said. The toll came as US forces fired more than 100 Tomahawk missiles into the stronghold of Ansar al-Islam, a shadowy group with alleged links to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. link An Iranian official has rejected allegations that members of Ansar al-Islam, injured during US and British attacks on the stronghold of the shadowy group in northern Iraq, had been transferred to the Islamic Republic for treatment.
"Rumors of this kind are aimed to drag the Islamic Republic into the Iraq crisis and undermine Iran's neutral stance (in the confrontation)," he added.
link
Louloubelle
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Terry Lloyd & cew - still missing - fears for their safety BBC
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
BBC have just interviewed a US soldier who confirmed many Iraqi soldiers has shed their uniforms and were acting like civilians. (Basra I think) I REALLY hope Im wrong but if the better trained Republican Guard and Elite Republican Guard do the same Baghdad could be a very difficult place to take. I wonder how they will handle it when they get there?
WHSpliff.net
Wazzzups? Smoking a bud!
The leaflets dropped said they should give them themselves up, after removing uniforms etc.
Hence loads of army boots left all over the place.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
The US soldier said that they were fighting though and there had been some problems in taking the city and that there were still pockets of resistence.
The big question is, will the Republican Guard fight to the death or give up? I could argue both ways, but I know which one I hope it is!
The big question is, will the Republican Guard fight to the death or give up? I could argue both ways, but I know which one I hope it is!
If the Republican Guard were to melt into the population of Baghdad, you're right that they'd be much harder to find. But they'd also be unorganized, which means that effective resistance would essentially be impossible. As the U.S. and U.K. occupies the city, one thing our forces will do is disarm everyone, which will make it difficult for scattered Republican Guards to fight even as individuals.
Also, it needs to be remembered -- as much as some on this board prefer not to consider it, because it dilutes the argument against this action -- is that Saddam's regime is oppressive and hated. There are bound to be consequences for individual Republican Guards who attempt to melt into the population. If they do this, I think the next sounds to be heard will be a combination of cheering civilians and snapping necks as those affiliated with the regime are killed, and not by coalition soliders.
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