Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yeah jsu theard that...and yep another night of terror form the skies..
*IRAQ: latest news and developments
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the scouser
the voice of reason!
500,000 refugees flee northen iraq
(reuters)
and Updated from BBC.........
"Ten servicemen were wounded - at least six seriously - in what appeared to be a terrorist attack*, they said.
"The carnage was pretty severe," said a US journalist, Jim Lacey from Time magazine. "
*=kill usa soldiers close up your a terrorist, kill iraq soldiers 100 miles away with a cruise missle, your a peacekeeper.
First pictures and video of kids seriously hurt go around the worlds media, arab TV is leading the way here. Its giving them live footage of the destruction of their brothers and sisters.
(reuters)
and Updated from BBC.........
"Ten servicemen were wounded - at least six seriously - in what appeared to be a terrorist attack*, they said.
"The carnage was pretty severe," said a US journalist, Jim Lacey from Time magazine. "
*=kill usa soldiers close up your a terrorist, kill iraq soldiers 100 miles away with a cruise missle, your a peacekeeper.
First pictures and video of kids seriously hurt go around the worlds media, arab TV is leading the way here. Its giving them live footage of the destruction of their brothers and sisters.
ska invita
back on the other side
...joe dick - that story of iraqi cash - i wonder who is going to make sure it all stays in iraq - maybe some ol' firend from enron, ive heard they could do with a job right now.
scouser - its getting dark now - i cant see how they can possibly hide this of the tee vee in the uk.
scouser - its getting dark now - i cant see how they can possibly hide this of the tee vee in the uk.
Tromaville
Substandard in every way
Aparently the attacker was a US soldier! The Camp Commander (Ben Hodges????) has apparently been injured to some degree.
Trom
ajk
that's a shame
A US soldier (possibly an engineer) has apparently been shot in the leg and and arrested. He is going to be questioned regarding the grenade attack, where 13? US soldiers were injured. Commander Ben Hodges has shrapnel wound to his arm, but is otherwise alright.
according to Sky News.
according to Sky News.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Basra is not taken, nor is Nasiriya.
The americans claimed they were eariler today - but now are descirbed as being 'secured' - which seems to mean surounded and bypassed whilst the US army tries to persuade the defenders to surrender.
The port city of Umm Qasr was reported 'taken' two days ago - yet 'sporadic fighting' is still being reported.
The 'surrender' of the Iraqi army division does not seem to have happned either.
Its clear that a HUGE amount of bullshit is flowing - I guess the idea is to try and convince Iraqi military units that resistance is crumbling.
I think the US and UK are very keen to avoid any close fighting and are trying to get to Baghdad as quickly as possible where I rekon they will surround and try and persuade the Iraqis to give up.
this report on indymedia claims their is heavy fighting around Bsra. However is third hand and not sourced. We porobably wont know much of the truth for weeks. http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=58819&group=webcast
The americans claimed they were eariler today - but now are descirbed as being 'secured' - which seems to mean surounded and bypassed whilst the US army tries to persuade the defenders to surrender.
The port city of Umm Qasr was reported 'taken' two days ago - yet 'sporadic fighting' is still being reported.
The 'surrender' of the Iraqi army division does not seem to have happned either.
Its clear that a HUGE amount of bullshit is flowing - I guess the idea is to try and convince Iraqi military units that resistance is crumbling.
I think the US and UK are very keen to avoid any close fighting and are trying to get to Baghdad as quickly as possible where I rekon they will surround and try and persuade the Iraqis to give up.
this report on indymedia claims their is heavy fighting around Bsra. However is third hand and not sourced. We porobably wont know much of the truth for weeks. http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=58819&group=webcast
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Oh yeah - spin detector.
Umm Qasr is Iraqs only major port and is being described as 'vital for the humanitarian effort'. When the reason is has been captured is that it is vital for the war effort (major port - main road direct ot Bagdhad).
It would be interesting to see the ratio of military to humanitarin cargo that is shipped in.
Umm Qasr is Iraqs only major port and is being described as 'vital for the humanitarian effort'. When the reason is has been captured is that it is vital for the war effort (major port - main road direct ot Bagdhad).
It would be interesting to see the ratio of military to humanitarin cargo that is shipped in.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
This sounds sensible. If you can surround the place and get the defenders to give up, isn't that better than going in with guns blazing, resulting in lots of deaths to your soldiers, their soldiers, and civilians.
Surely you aren't taking them to task for this tactic?
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Sky News is now reporting that one of the two US soldiers arrested for the tent grenade attack is a Muslim. Both men were reported as having been "acting strangely" in recent days.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1084723,00.html
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1084723,00.html
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
No sign of Scuds or banned arms in Iraq yet - U.S.
1 hour, 36 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites) have yet to find any evidence of the suspected chemical or biological weapons that prompted the invasion, a U.S. general said on Saturday.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal, vice director for operations on the U.S. military's Joint Staff, also told a briefing that none of the missiles fired by Iraq so far in the war had been a Scud.
-yahoo news
1 hour, 36 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites) have yet to find any evidence of the suspected chemical or biological weapons that prompted the invasion, a U.S. general said on Saturday.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal, vice director for operations on the U.S. military's Joint Staff, also told a briefing that none of the missiles fired by Iraq so far in the war had been a Scud.
-yahoo news
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
uploaded 22 Mar 2003
Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
As the first bombs rain down on Baghdad, CorpWatch has learned that thousands of employees of Halliburton, Vice President Dick Cheney's former company, are working alongside US troops in Kuwait and Turkey under a package deal worth close to a billion dollars. According to US Army sources, they are building tent cities and providing logistical support for the war in Iraq in addition to other hot spots in the "war on terrorism."
While recent news coverage has speculated on the post-war reconstruction gravy train that corporations like Halliburton stand to gain from, this latest information indicates that Halliburton is already profiting from war time contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Cheney served as chief executive of Halliburton until he stepped down to become George W. Bush's running mate in the 2000 presidential race. Today he still draws compensation of up to a million dollars a year from the company, although his spokesperson denies that the White House helped the company win the contract.
re- read the last sentence.
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6562&TagID=2
uploaded 22 Mar 2003
Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
As the first bombs rain down on Baghdad, CorpWatch has learned that thousands of employees of Halliburton, Vice President Dick Cheney's former company, are working alongside US troops in Kuwait and Turkey under a package deal worth close to a billion dollars. According to US Army sources, they are building tent cities and providing logistical support for the war in Iraq in addition to other hot spots in the "war on terrorism."
While recent news coverage has speculated on the post-war reconstruction gravy train that corporations like Halliburton stand to gain from, this latest information indicates that Halliburton is already profiting from war time contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Cheney served as chief executive of Halliburton until he stepped down to become George W. Bush's running mate in the 2000 presidential race. Today he still draws compensation of up to a million dollars a year from the company, although his spokesperson denies that the White House helped the company win the contract.
re- read the last sentence.
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6562&TagID=2
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
A US soldier has been arrested after a grenade attack at a rear base camp in northern Kuwait which wounded 13 other US troops.
A military spokesman said two grenades had been rolled into a command tent in Camp Pennsylvania, the base of the 101st US Airborne Division.
Eleven of the soldiers were evacuated to field hospitals in the area, while the other two were treated at the scene.
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Correspondents say there are concerns in Kuwait about increasing hostility towards US troops, thousands of whom have been stationed in the country since the 1991 Gulf War.
In October last year, a US marine was killed during training on an island.
A month later, two US soldiers were shot and seriously wounded by a Kuwaiti policeman on a highway south of Kuwait City.
In January a US civilian was killed and one wounded near a military base north of the city.
bbc
A military spokesman said two grenades had been rolled into a command tent in Camp Pennsylvania, the base of the 101st US Airborne Division.
Eleven of the soldiers were evacuated to field hospitals in the area, while the other two were treated at the scene.
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Correspondents say there are concerns in Kuwait about increasing hostility towards US troops, thousands of whom have been stationed in the country since the 1991 Gulf War.
In October last year, a US marine was killed during training on an island.
A month later, two US soldiers were shot and seriously wounded by a Kuwaiti policeman on a highway south of Kuwait City.
In January a US civilian was killed and one wounded near a military base north of the city.
bbc
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Iraq war splinters EU summit
AFP - After what was variously described as an "icy", "surreal" or pointless summit dominated by the Iraq crisis, the European Union (EU) appears no nearer to moving beyond one of the most damaging rifts in its history.
On the contrary, the arguments have already started in the EU about how a post-war Iraq will be run and rebuilt, with French President Jacques Chirac lashing out at any notion of "the American and English belligerents" ruling the roost after Saddam Hussein.
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But the heads of government stayed silent on the longer-term question of rebuilding Iraq, in the wake of a stormy debate in the European Parliament during which several deputies questioned why Europe should foot the bill for a US-inspired war.
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Blair for one was clear on the need for both the EU and the United Nations to be involved in postwar reconstruction.
"I was pleased that whatever the differences there have been during the diplomatic crisis leading up to military action, we were able to agree here that Europe will play an important continuing role in helping rebuild Iraq in the post-Saddam era," he said on Friday.
"We agreed that the United Nations, again despite recent difficulties, should be centrally involved in the post-Saddam reconstruction of Iraq," Blair added.
But that was not enough to assuage Chirac, whose threats to veto any second resolution in the UN Security Council that threatened Saddam with war if he failed to disarm caused fury in London.
"France will not accept a resolution tending to legitimise the military intervention and giving the American and English belligerents powers over the administration of Iraq," he told a press conference.
Speaking after the EU summit, he added reconstruction would be essential but "for that there is only one body, the UN".
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Germany, France and Belgium said they were planning to hold a summit on European defence next month to "accelerate" the process of forging a common security policy. Britain was not invited.
The British minister for Europe, Denis McShane, retorted (in perfect French): "The idea of a European defence based on Belgium and without England - I wonder if that's particularly serious."
AFP - After what was variously described as an "icy", "surreal" or pointless summit dominated by the Iraq crisis, the European Union (EU) appears no nearer to moving beyond one of the most damaging rifts in its history.
On the contrary, the arguments have already started in the EU about how a post-war Iraq will be run and rebuilt, with French President Jacques Chirac lashing out at any notion of "the American and English belligerents" ruling the roost after Saddam Hussein.
....
But the heads of government stayed silent on the longer-term question of rebuilding Iraq, in the wake of a stormy debate in the European Parliament during which several deputies questioned why Europe should foot the bill for a US-inspired war.
.....
Blair for one was clear on the need for both the EU and the United Nations to be involved in postwar reconstruction.
"I was pleased that whatever the differences there have been during the diplomatic crisis leading up to military action, we were able to agree here that Europe will play an important continuing role in helping rebuild Iraq in the post-Saddam era," he said on Friday.
"We agreed that the United Nations, again despite recent difficulties, should be centrally involved in the post-Saddam reconstruction of Iraq," Blair added.
But that was not enough to assuage Chirac, whose threats to veto any second resolution in the UN Security Council that threatened Saddam with war if he failed to disarm caused fury in London.
"France will not accept a resolution tending to legitimise the military intervention and giving the American and English belligerents powers over the administration of Iraq," he told a press conference.
Speaking after the EU summit, he added reconstruction would be essential but "for that there is only one body, the UN".
....
Germany, France and Belgium said they were planning to hold a summit on European defence next month to "accelerate" the process of forging a common security policy. Britain was not invited.
The British minister for Europe, Denis McShane, retorted (in perfect French): "The idea of a European defence based on Belgium and without England - I wonder if that's particularly serious."
the scouser
the voice of reason!
About 50 Iraqi civilians were killed in coalition bombing of the southern city of Basra, the independent Arab-language satellite station Al-Jazeera claimed last night.
In footage seen across the Arab world, the station aired grisly and explicit images of the dead and wounded, including a child with the back of its skull blown off and blood-stained people being treated on the floor of a hospital
the photo is linked to...........
WARNING the image is disturbing, be warned.
In footage seen across the Arab world, the station aired grisly and explicit images of the dead and wounded, including a child with the back of its skull blown off and blood-stained people being treated on the floor of a hospital
the photo is linked to...........
WARNING the image is disturbing, be warned.
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
longdog
What is it you can't face?
WHSpliff.net
Wazzzups? Smoking a bud!
Confirmed by US - reported on Sky
It's like the last war all over again - don't they understand we are on the same fucking side
Can't shoot down incoming missiles as promised - but can bring down a RAF plane - fuckwits
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Possible explanation for US tactics -
They want an organised surrender by the Iraqi military coupled with a swift dispatch of those in the Iraqi regime loyal to Saddam.
This will leave the military in place and allow a smooth transition of power to .... a military dictator drawn from the ranks of the Baath party.
I think a lot was riding on the fact that the Iraqis would be depserate to ditch Saddam and that the army would collapse.
As yet this does not seem to be happening - we have not seen anything like the mass surrenders from Gulf War 1 and as yet no sights of mass jubilation as US/UK troops march into cities, just a few selected quotes from odd iraqi civilian.
Rumsfeld and co are constantly claiming that the Iraqi regime is on the point of collapse and that they are loosing control of the country - but the indications are that Iraqi army are putting up quite stiff resistance. Developments like the ongoing defence of un quasar will be a major morale boost.
However - speculation speculation speculation - and early days and all that.
JC2 - I was merely describing what the military tactics seem to be. They make sense if what you are trying to do is win a relatively bloodless war. However if the iraqis refuse to follow the script you are left with extended supply lines vunerable to attack.
If that happens than I fear the US will pund Basra and other resisting towns into smithereens.
They want an organised surrender by the Iraqi military coupled with a swift dispatch of those in the Iraqi regime loyal to Saddam.
This will leave the military in place and allow a smooth transition of power to .... a military dictator drawn from the ranks of the Baath party.
I think a lot was riding on the fact that the Iraqis would be depserate to ditch Saddam and that the army would collapse.
As yet this does not seem to be happening - we have not seen anything like the mass surrenders from Gulf War 1 and as yet no sights of mass jubilation as US/UK troops march into cities, just a few selected quotes from odd iraqi civilian.
Rumsfeld and co are constantly claiming that the Iraqi regime is on the point of collapse and that they are loosing control of the country - but the indications are that Iraqi army are putting up quite stiff resistance. Developments like the ongoing defence of un quasar will be a major morale boost.
However - speculation speculation speculation - and early days and all that.
JC2 - I was merely describing what the military tactics seem to be. They make sense if what you are trying to do is win a relatively bloodless war. However if the iraqis refuse to follow the script you are left with extended supply lines vunerable to attack.
If that happens than I fear the US will pund Basra and other resisting towns into smithereens.
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
US air strikes on Basra kill 77 civilians, wound 366: Iraq
Iraqi Information Minister Said as-Sahhaf says 77 civilians were killed and 366 others injured by US air strikes on the southern Iraqi city of Basra.
The dead and the injured were victims of cluster bombs, he told a press conference in Baghdad.
thank goodness this nice clean american war is doing it's best not to hurt anyone.
Iraqi Information Minister Said as-Sahhaf says 77 civilians were killed and 366 others injured by US air strikes on the southern Iraqi city of Basra.
The dead and the injured were victims of cluster bombs, he told a press conference in Baghdad.
thank goodness this nice clean american war is doing it's best not to hurt anyone.
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Vice-President: Iraq captures U.S.soldiers
Date: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:20:07 AM EST
BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 23 (UPI) -- Iraqi Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan said Sunday that Iraqi forces captured a number of U.S. soldiers in the region of Souk al-Shiyoukh in southern Iraq. Ramadan affirmed that Iraqi TV will broadcast soon footages of the prisoners and destroyed tanks and other military vehicles.
"You will see today the U.S. prisoners of war and the U.S. tanks which have been destroyed before they (U.S. forces) pulled back," he told reporters in Baghdad.
Date: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:20:07 AM EST
BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 23 (UPI) -- Iraqi Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan said Sunday that Iraqi forces captured a number of U.S. soldiers in the region of Souk al-Shiyoukh in southern Iraq. Ramadan affirmed that Iraqi TV will broadcast soon footages of the prisoners and destroyed tanks and other military vehicles.
"You will see today the U.S. prisoners of war and the U.S. tanks which have been destroyed before they (U.S. forces) pulled back," he told reporters in Baghdad.
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Iraq war "friendly fire" downs UK plane
By Lyndsay Griffiths
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain said a Royal Air Force plane that went missing in the Gulf on Sunday was likely shot down by a U.S. Patriot missile in the first known "friendly fire" incident of the Iraq war.
By Lyndsay Griffiths
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain said a Royal Air Force plane that went missing in the Gulf on Sunday was likely shot down by a U.S. Patriot missile in the first known "friendly fire" incident of the Iraq war.
Increased Islamic tension caused by Iraq war leads to US advising all citizens to consider leaving Indonesia.
As a result of the military action in Iraq, Indonesia's frequent political demonstrations may escalate, increasing the potential for anti-American violence and for terrorist actions," the State Department said in a warning issued late on Saturday.
"The U.S. Embassy in Jakarta has received credible information that extremist elements may be planning...attacks targeting U.S. interests."
"All U.S. citizens in Indonesia are urged to...consider departing the country," it said, repeating a warning made in October after bombings in Bali which killed more than 200 people, most of them foreigners.
Source: Reuters
As a result of the military action in Iraq, Indonesia's frequent political demonstrations may escalate, increasing the potential for anti-American violence and for terrorist actions," the State Department said in a warning issued late on Saturday.
"The U.S. Embassy in Jakarta has received credible information that extremist elements may be planning...attacks targeting U.S. interests."
"All U.S. citizens in Indonesia are urged to...consider departing the country," it said, repeating a warning made in October after bombings in Bali which killed more than 200 people, most of them foreigners.
Source: Reuters
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