Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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teqniq
DisMembered
Archived editorial from Haaretz on the ICC warrants:
Starvation, Murder, Persecution: ICC Warrants Are an Unprecedented Moral Nadir for Israel
Interestingly Gramsci in the piece wrt to Israel having the facility to pursue it's own internal investigation into war crimes and crimes against humanity as is being suggested by UKLI
they regard this as a non-option:
Starvation, Murder, Persecution: ICC Warrants Are an Unprecedented Moral Nadir for Israel
Interestingly Gramsci in the piece wrt to Israel having the facility to pursue it's own internal investigation into war crimes and crimes against humanity as is being suggested by UKLI
they regard this as a non-option:
Got a link?
tony.c
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There have been flight plans of RAF surveillance flights from Cyprus over Gaza shown on the internet.
This article while saying they are to locate hostages also claims the footage could be used in the ICC.
RAF’s Gaza photos could be used against Israel in war crimes court
RAF spy planes have been flying over Gaza since December 2023 to help locate Israeli hostages taken by Hamas
www.independent.co.uk
teqniq
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Gramsci
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Revealed: UK military has flown 200 spy missions over Gaza in support of Israel
British spy planes have recorded up to 1,000 hours of footage over Gaza, including from the day Israel assassinated three UK aid workers.
www.declassifieduk.org
Gramsci
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I am wondering if Israel state and it's general public aren't acting in rational way.
After Hamas attack they had a lot of international support and condemnation of Hamas.
One year on and they are losing international support except from US and countries like mine.
South Africa case is extremely important symbolically.
I can see why activists pursuing the legal arguments plus making Israel an international pariah with world public opinion are correct.
Here is quote from article,
So forget about trying to get Israeli public onside. That's pointless.
Go for using international law strategically and isolate Israel as a pariah state. In world public opinion. Even if our western leaders won't.
Question is whether this will happen quick enough to save Palestinians being basically wiped off the map of Palestine
teqniq
DisMembered
Meanwhile there are two ceasefire deals in the offing. Very predictably it is said that Netanyahu is stalling for time on the Gaza one:
Arab mediators: Netanyahu stalling, wrongly thinks Trump will deliver better Gaza deal
but there is also a potential ceasefire deal with Hezbollah:
www.timesofisrael.com
Arab mediators: Netanyahu stalling, wrongly thinks Trump will deliver better Gaza deal
but there is also a potential ceasefire deal with Hezbollah:
Netanyahu meeting on Lebanon ceasefire as Israel said poised to greenlight deal
Consultation said focus on how to sell agreement to Israeli public; US envoy reportedly warned that if there is no truce now, Israel and Hezbollah will have to wait for Trump
www.timesofisrael.com
Gramsci
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Watched this
Is start of series of lectures hosted by SOAS titled Imperialism , Colonialism and Human Rights
The starting point for the lecture series is the article I've linked. Which I've read. Its not to long. By Nimar Sultani
Francesca Albanese gave a barn storming speech. Her visit to UK was met with demos outside where ever she spoke. So she was clearly giving her all on this.
Its not to long and the intro speakers are good. One said both David Lammy and Francesca are ex SOAS students. Lammy comments on what genocide is in his eyes show that unfortunately in his case education at SOAS didn't work. One of the more amusing asides in the video. He really isn't that bright imo. Typical Labour party as I know them. Good at politicking but not very bright.
Francesca was putting argument that Palestinian struggle is linked to struggles of indigenous people world wide.
She did give long section about what's happening in Gaza now
TBF I've had to stop watching some of everyday news and instead read history and academic article like this. Its to much for my head to watch more dead bodies.
The intro speakers and her plus the demos outside are making an atmosphere , understandably imo , of barely hidden mutual loathing. Her speech reflected this. I can understand this. And can feel the same myself.
The academic text goes into the plus and minuses of the international law paradigm to get a just solution for Palestinians.
Makes convincing argument if international law cant work for Palestinians its failed.
Says among other things ( and Id recommend it as a read 45 pages)
International law does not fully take aboard Zionism as a colonial project.
That separating out Palestinians inside Israel/ in West Bank and Gaza and as refugees outside the Mandate area means that the totality of the oppression of Palestinians gets lost.
There is a long discussion in his piece about NGOs. HRW and Amnesty International. For long time they avoided the Palestinian issue. More recent reports by them hold delicate balancing act between saying Israel is now Apartheid state and not saying the origins of this are in Zionism. Trying to be objective and not take political sides. He says in end this doesn't work.
He's quite critical of NGOs like HRW. I've more sympathy for them.
So what Nimar is saying, as a previous generation of Palestinians said ( he mentions Sayegh) is that the underlying issue is Zionism as a colonial racist project. This is not fully expressed in how international law works. Which is a deliberate systemic aspect of International law. Not an unfortunate by product of it.
At one point he says UN agreed that Zionism was a form of racism. This was dropped in order that the Oslo peace process gets started.
International law itself is political and its an area of contestation. There isn't a pure law. Its possible to use it. Without seeing law as area where political power is contested and exercised its easy to fall into the traps that some NGOs do. Which inadvertantly shore up this unjust state of affairs
I think the Nimar article on international law is very good
Is start of series of lectures hosted by SOAS titled Imperialism , Colonialism and Human Rights
The starting point for the lecture series is the article I've linked. Which I've read. Its not to long. By Nimar Sultani
Francesca Albanese gave a barn storming speech. Her visit to UK was met with demos outside where ever she spoke. So she was clearly giving her all on this.
Its not to long and the intro speakers are good. One said both David Lammy and Francesca are ex SOAS students. Lammy comments on what genocide is in his eyes show that unfortunately in his case education at SOAS didn't work. One of the more amusing asides in the video. He really isn't that bright imo. Typical Labour party as I know them. Good at politicking but not very bright.
Francesca was putting argument that Palestinian struggle is linked to struggles of indigenous people world wide.
She did give long section about what's happening in Gaza now
TBF I've had to stop watching some of everyday news and instead read history and academic article like this. Its to much for my head to watch more dead bodies.
The intro speakers and her plus the demos outside are making an atmosphere , understandably imo , of barely hidden mutual loathing. Her speech reflected this. I can understand this. And can feel the same myself.
The academic text goes into the plus and minuses of the international law paradigm to get a just solution for Palestinians.
Makes convincing argument if international law cant work for Palestinians its failed.
Says among other things ( and Id recommend it as a read 45 pages)
International law does not fully take aboard Zionism as a colonial project.
That separating out Palestinians inside Israel/ in West Bank and Gaza and as refugees outside the Mandate area means that the totality of the oppression of Palestinians gets lost.
There is a long discussion in his piece about NGOs. HRW and Amnesty International. For long time they avoided the Palestinian issue. More recent reports by them hold delicate balancing act between saying Israel is now Apartheid state and not saying the origins of this are in Zionism. Trying to be objective and not take political sides. He says in end this doesn't work.
He's quite critical of NGOs like HRW. I've more sympathy for them.
So what Nimar is saying, as a previous generation of Palestinians said ( he mentions Sayegh) is that the underlying issue is Zionism as a colonial racist project. This is not fully expressed in how international law works. Which is a deliberate systemic aspect of International law. Not an unfortunate by product of it.
At one point he says UN agreed that Zionism was a form of racism. This was dropped in order that the Oslo peace process gets started.
International law itself is political and its an area of contestation. There isn't a pure law. Its possible to use it. Without seeing law as area where political power is contested and exercised its easy to fall into the traps that some NGOs do. Which inadvertantly shore up this unjust state of affairs
I think the Nimar article on international law is very good
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PTK
Paul Kegan
Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children
Children lying injured in Gaza were picked out and shot by quadcopters, a senior doctor tells MPs.
www.bbc.co.uk
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Heres one for all the Israel apologists.this is what you defend.
www.aljazeera.com
Dying in ‘Hell’: The fate of Palestinian medics jailed by Israel
One of Gaza’s most prominent doctors may have been raped to death, recent revelations show. He’s not the only one.
Humberto
Relax
It's not what you defend, it's the way it is.Heres one for all the Israel apologists.this is what you defend.
Dying in ‘Hell’: The fate of Palestinian medics jailed by Israel
One of Gaza’s most prominent doctors may have been raped to death, recent revelations show. He’s not the only one.
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