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Paul Kegan
No, as I pointed out, the President of the State of Israel was afforded a State Visit, which Assad was not.
Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion
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little_legs
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Turns out these ISIS chaps love Israel and hate Palestine
Gramsci
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Syria was part of the French Mandate.
Palestine was British run Mandate
This is all hypothetical, but could be, that Queen was not happy about how the Mandate ended.
Its why Im not of the its all about Imperialism point of view on the conflict.
There were Imperialists who thought backing Zionism was a mistake.
That British should have done , in later Imperial fashion, got reliable "native" people to ( under the patronising hand of the British ) be guided to self government.
Which is what the mandates in theory were about
Palestine was a Class A mandate. Which meant ( from a Western perspective) that self determination could come sooner. After some guiding by the victorious powers post WW1
So getting written into the mandate the Balfour declaration was something this country imo should apologise for. It went against what the Mandates were supposed to be about.
Just because the Queen was a product of that Imperialist mindset does not mean she would automatically support Israel.
Palestine was British run Mandate
This is all hypothetical, but could be, that Queen was not happy about how the Mandate ended.
Its why Im not of the its all about Imperialism point of view on the conflict.
There were Imperialists who thought backing Zionism was a mistake.
That British should have done , in later Imperial fashion, got reliable "native" people to ( under the patronising hand of the British ) be guided to self government.
Which is what the mandates in theory were about
Palestine was a Class A mandate. Which meant ( from a Western perspective) that self determination could come sooner. After some guiding by the victorious powers post WW1
So getting written into the mandate the Balfour declaration was something this country imo should apologise for. It went against what the Mandates were supposed to be about.
Just because the Queen was a product of that Imperialist mindset does not mean she would automatically support Israel.
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mojo pixy
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Yes and as also pointed out, HMQ probably doesn't have much choice over state visits, what the government wants/needs, the government gets. But other visits, I suppose she gets a say. If al Assad was that kind of visit then she agreed.
Plus you know beyond this gay banter, consider 'sir' jimmy savile; I wonder how many dinners that disgusting creature had at her maj's table? I wonder how many times she laughed at one of his stories.
But israelis? Too evil. All of them.
PTK
Paul Kegan
You are trying to make a point based on an assertion for which there is not evidence.
Gramsci
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Head of HTS was involved in ISIS and then Al Qaeda now a "moderate"
I don't now enough about ISIS or Al Qaeda to know if they have position on Palestine. Or what they think of group like Hamas who came out of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Considering HTS want to get off the western terror list and Israel has just bombed the navy and military I would suggest HTS have enough problems to deal with. So any support for Palestinians is not highest on list of priorities.
The attack by Israel was imo deliberately over the top show of power. Also potentially crippling armed forces of a new state of Syria for years So Syria in future has little in way of defence capability.
Another issue is that the Palestine Liberation Army ( which was not that independent of the state of Syria) sided with Assad and fought against the opposition.
So probably for those Syrians who opposed/ fought against Assad they have mixed feelings about Palestinians living in Syria.
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HeAthen
Nadgers.
Last orthopaedic surgeon in North Gaza murdered by the IDF. They really are scum
Last bone surgeon in northern Gaza killed, Palestinians say
Dr Sayeed Joudeh had come out of retirement to help during the war between Israel and Hamas.
www.bbc.co.uk
Flavour
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Hts are not isis and they are most certainly not chaps
little_legs
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the only good thing the Israelis ever did, bombing the British and hanging of the Nazis
little_legs
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That's what the CIA would like you to believe
Gramsci
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I do wish you would notice things like I put moderate with commas.
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Paul Kegan
"Syria" is not just the name of a state. Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine were also defined as being part of Syria. As the "S" part of HTS refers not to Syria, the existing state, but "Al-Sham", the Levant. or Greater Syria region, then the leaders of HTS would regard Palestinian Arabs as being part of the Syrian nation. Therefore it may feel that Palestinian political organisations have no right to an independent existance.
HeAthen
Nadgers.
I bet Ireland is gutted!
Israel to close embassy in Ireland over 'antisemitic' policies
The Republic of Ireland has crossed "every red line", Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar says.
www.bbc.co.uk
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Pathetic snowflake state.I bet Ireland is gutted!
Israel to close embassy in Ireland over 'antisemitic' policies
The Republic of Ireland has crossed "every red line", Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar says.www.bbc.co.uk
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Careful now.
krtek a houby
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I bet Ireland is gutted!
Israel to close embassy in Ireland over 'antisemitic' policies
The Republic of Ireland has crossed "every red line", Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar says.www.bbc.co.uk
Apparently, we're anti-semitic now.
I guess that it will upset the right wing headbangers who have a meltdown when they see the Palestinian flag, but other than that, can't see too many bothered about it.
Replying to your post in the Israel thread rather than the Syria one to avoid a derail.
The point is to stop further settlements and encroachment and guarantee the rights of Palestinians. It may be possible to one day come up with a solution where some land in the West Bank is given back to Palestinians and some of the settlers are settled elsewhere.
But a solution cannot involve making all the Israelis simply leave. Not only is this never going to happen, but it would also in practise be genocidal.
I'm aware of how lopsided it seems to suggest trying to show Israelis that reconciliation is possible when they are behaving as they are, but if there is any hope it has to come from a critical mass of Israelis willing to try compromise. Talking about destruction of Israel merely plays into the hands of the Zionist far-right. There are Jews and Israelis who want peace and reconciliation but it makes their position a lot harder when their opponents can easily find things to make Israelis feel the world wants to see them destroyed and is against them because of who they are and not what they're doing.
Happy Tree
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They're not really doing themselves any favours with the lying all the time. Almost like finding a truthful and peaceful solution is not the intent. I watched the speech on Tiktok where he condemned the 7th Oct attacks. First comment "Why does he not condemn the 7th Oct attacks?" Load a ballix.
Gramsci
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Not clear what you are saying here.
West Bank is under international law illegally occupied land.
It's been accepted as such by UN. And in ruling of ICJ.
If it is two state solution you mean then the land that is being occupied by settlers will need to be handed back to Palestinians as its basis for a Palestinian state.
This has nothing to do with being genocidal.
Its about international justice.
If what you mean is a two state solution.
mojo pixy
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Can you believe this shite
IDF Pr wing sprouting ballocks as normal,
Obviously using memes to make a point is fucking stupid, but the statements overlaid on this stupid meme are both factually true aren't they?
Ireland to ask ICJ to widen genocide definition over Gaza war
LONDON: The Irish government will ask the International Court of Justice to expand its definition of genocide over Israel’s “collective punishment” of civilians in the Gaza Strip, Sky News reported on Thursday.
arab.news
Gramsci
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And btw the occupation of the West Bank is not just about settlement building. Its also about separation wall ( ruled illegal by ICJ) and a host of other restrictions on Palestinians everyday life.
Which constitutes an Apartheid system.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I thought you might have seen the abstract of the article I posted on the Syria thread which indicated the zionist siege mentality is of long standing. I would be grateful for why you believe Israeli compliance with security council resolution 242 and other international law on the matter means the withdrawal of settlers from Palestine would be genocidal
krtek a houby
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Don't you think what's happening is genocide?Obviously using memes to make a point is fucking stupid, but the statements overlaid on this stupid meme are both factually true aren't they?
Ireland to ask ICJ to widen genocide definition over Gaza war
LONDON: The Irish government will ask the International Court of Justice to expand its definition of genocide over Israel’s “collective punishment” of civilians in the Gaza Strip, Sky News reported on Thursday.
I don't get it at all, how can removing illegal settlers from stolen land in accordance with UN resolutions be genocidal, no one is advocating their extermination?
By this zionist logic returning the Golan to its rightful and legal owner Syria would be theft.
mojo pixy
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Nobody gives a fuck what I think, and I resent people pretending they do. For reference, here's a UN page on genocide.
krtek a houby
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Just asking for your opinion. I got flack years ago for referring to the Cambodian slaughter as genocide. So, it's interesting to me what is accepted as genocide and what isn't.Nobody gives a fuck what I think, and I resent people pretending they do. For reference, here's a UN page on genocide.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Obviously using memes to make a point is fucking stupid, but the statements overlaid on this stupid meme are both factually true aren't they?
Ireland to ask ICJ to widen genocide definition over Gaza war
LONDON: The Irish government will ask the International Court of Justice to expand its definition of genocide over Israel’s “collective punishment” of civilians in the Gaza Strip, Sky News reported on Thursday.
ireland denounced the hamas attack so is a bullshit statement to begin with and you posted the link to the UN definition of genocide yourself . I don't think it needs be refined just applied correctly
Flavour
hang the bankers
Not answering the question tho are you. Just say it: you don't think it should be considered genocideNobody gives a fuck what I think, and I resent people pretending they do. For reference, here's a UN page on genocide.
Ta. So, according to that definition, it is definitely genocide. It meets all the possible behavioural alternatives (where only one is actually necessary) other than transferring children to a different group. And there’s no doubt that the mens rea is the desire to wipe out the ethnic group, as attested to by many statements by the Israeli leadership.Nobody gives a fuck what I think, and I resent people pretending they do. For reference, here's a UN page on genocide.
Glad we’re in agreement on the fact that this is genocide.
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