Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[The39thStep]

One for the notebook. 600 at a "Reclaim Antifa" alliance rally in Leipzig at the weekend

According to Leipziger Zeitung "The “Reclaim Antifa” alliance, which consists of the groups “Kappa”, “Utopia & Praxis”, “Youth Against the Right” and the feminist “Fantifa”, called for this. These groups had already called for an Israel solidarity event in May. " and " was under the motto “Now more than ever – against the anti-Semitic normal state”.

According to a Twitter link slogans on the march included :

"Nice weather, tough times, fight for Zionism!"

"No God, no state, no caliphate!"

"Free Gaza from Hamas - Free Westbank from Abbas"

"Germans know 1 direction - dominance, exploitation and destruction"

"We don't want a lot - solidarity with Israel"






There's also a belting catchy one third from the bottom that according to google translate says : "What gives Leninists steam - value criticism instead of class struggle!"
So there you go Westsplainers

 

[teqniq]

The Indonesian hospital has come under sustained attack today. Absolute scumbags:

Israel targets Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital: Here is what’s to know

There are about 700 people including medical staff and injured people inside Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

One for the notebook. 600 at a "Reclaim Antifa" alliance rally in Leipzig at the weekend

According to Leipziger Zeitung "The “Reclaim Antifa” alliance, which consists of the groups “Kappa”, “Utopia & Praxis”, “Youth Against the Right” and the feminist “Fantifa”, called for this. These groups had already called for an Israel solidarity event in May. " and " was under the motto “Now more than ever – against the anti-Semitic normal state”.

According to a Twitter link slogans on the march included :

"Nice weather, tough times, fight for Zionism!"

"No God, no state, no caliphate!"

"Free Gaza from Hamas - Free Westbank from Abbas"

"Germans know 1 direction - dominance, exploitation and destruction"

"We don't want a lot - solidarity with Israel"




There's also a belting catchy one third from the bottom that according to google translate says : "What gives Leninists steam - value criticism instead of class struggle!"
So there you go Westsplainers

that'll be the anti-germans lot, pain in the backside from what I heard anecdotically

 

[CH1]

One for the notebook. 600 at a "Reclaim Antifa" alliance rally in Leipzig at the weekend

According to Leipziger Zeitung "The “Reclaim Antifa” alliance, which consists of the groups “Kappa”, “Utopia & Praxis”, “Youth Against the Right” and the feminist “Fantifa”, called for this. These groups had already called for an Israel solidarity event in May. " and " was under the motto “Now more than ever – against the anti-Semitic normal state”.

According to a Twitter link slogans on the march included :

"Nice weather, tough times, fight for Zionism!"

"No God, no state, no caliphate!"

"Free Gaza from Hamas - Free Westbank from Abbas"

"Germans know 1 direction - dominance, exploitation and destruction"

"We don't want a lot - solidarity with Israel"




There's also a belting catchy one third from the bottom that according to google translate says : "What gives Leninists steam - value criticism instead of class struggle!"
So there you go Westsplainers

The newspaper says 300 took part and apparently 700 took part in a pro Palestinian march the previous day in Leipzig.
Who is KAPPA then? When I used to go to Germany on Inter-rail in the 1970s it was a large department store with food hall in the manner of John Lewis or Selfridges on Oxford Street.

https://archive.ph/OVhUe

 

[The39thStep]

The newspaper says 300 took part and apparently 700 took part in a pro Palestinian march the previous day in Leipzig.
Who is KAPPA then? When I used to go to Germany on Inter-rail in the 1970s it was a large department store with food hall in the manner of John Lewis or Selfridges on Oxford Street.

https://archive.ph/OVhUe

Your newspaper may say 300 but mine says 600. God knows who these groups are .

Das Wochenende, 18./19. November 2023: Linke wählt Europakandidat*innen und Demonstrationen für Israel und Gaza

Insgesamt etwa 1.500 Menschen sind am Wochenende für Israel und Gaza beziehungsweise gegen Antisemitismus auf die Straße gegangen. Verteilt hat sich das

www.l-iz.de

 

[The39thStep]

The newspaper says 300 took part and apparently 700 took part in a pro Palestinian march the previous day in Leipzig.
Who is KAPPA then? When I used to go to Germany on Inter-rail in the 1970s it was a large department store with food hall in the manner of John Lewis or Selfridges on Oxford Street.

https://archive.ph/OVhUe

Didnt want to come over abruptly. I don't know who these particular groups are however the same position and arguments have recently split most of the international St Pauli associations away from the German St. Pauli group.
Supporters at some other German clubs have also adopted a pro-Israel stance.

 

[CH1]

Episodes 4-6 of The 50 Yeats War - Israel and the Arabs on BBC Four right now. BBC Two - The Fifty Years War: Israel and the Arabs

 

[teqniq]

The Indonesian hospital has come under sustained attack today. Absolute scumbags:

Israel targets Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital: Here is what’s to know

There are about 700 people including medical staff and injured people inside Gaza’s Indonesian Hospital.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Pickman's model]

One for the notebook. 600 at a "Reclaim Antifa" alliance rally in Leipzig at the weekend

According to Leipziger Zeitung "The “Reclaim Antifa” alliance, which consists of the groups “Kappa”, “Utopia & Praxis”, “Youth Against the Right” and the feminist “Fantifa”, called for this. These groups had already called for an Israel solidarity event in May. " and " was under the motto “Now more than ever – against the anti-Semitic normal state”.

According to a Twitter link slogans on the march included :

"Nice weather, tough times, fight for Zionism!"

"No God, no state, no caliphate!"

"Free Gaza from Hamas - Free Westbank from Abbas"

"Germans know 1 direction - dominance, exploitation and destruction"

"We don't want a lot - solidarity with Israel"




There's also a belting catchy one third from the bottom that according to google translate says : "What gives Leninists steam - value criticism instead of class struggle!"
So there you go Westsplainers

They must be really fun at parties

 

[Aladdin]

The delivery of this video may grate on some but the message / essence is about the executive director of UNICEF married to the chairman of an armaments co.pany that is making the bombs being dropped in Gaza.
She names both and links to the company.
Asking the question "why hasn't the UN stopped this genocide?"



Is this true? And if it is...what the fuck ?

 

[Pickman's model]

The delivery of this video may grate on some but the message / essence is about the executive director of UNICEF married to the chairman of an armaments co.pany that is making the bombs being dropped in Gaza.
She names both and links to the company.
Asking the question "why hasn't the UN stopped this genocide?"



Is this true? And if it is...what the fuck ?

Did you google Catherine Russell unicef husband? If so you'll have seen this no doubt Thomas E. Donilon - Wikipedia. E2a there's an Aladdin link via blackrock

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Anyone seen this on the news? Everyone aghast and no one mentioning it looks like a ps2 medal of honour game

So clearly a video game, amazed anyone thinks this is real.

 

[Aladdin]

Did you google Catherine Russell unicef husband? If so you'll have seen this no doubt Thomas E. Donilon - Wikipedia. E2a there's an Aladdin link via blackrock

Yes. Just read the wikipedia link re Donilon. The company "Blackrock" seems to have it's fists in all sorts of pies including coal mining and armaments.
And Aladdin.... (ha..not me )

 

[Aladdin]

So clearly a video game, amazed anyone thinks this is real.

Are video games that good now?

It looks real...

 

[teqniq]

So clearly a video game, amazed anyone thinks this is real.

Funny how it's been linked to in the NYT and Aric Toler of Bellingcat retweeted the linked article. one might think he would be concerned for his credibility as an open source researcher:



e2a here is the linked vid from the NYT article. The difference between it and and the one posted upthread is that it has Arabic blurb at the beginning which appears to have been stripped out of the reposted vids:

 

[Pickman's model]

So clearly a video game, amazed anyone thinks this is real.

it certainly is real, the hijack if not the video. see eg https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-in-red-sea-says-it-is-not-an-israeli-vessel/

 

[keybored]

So clearly a video game

Maybe you could tell us which game the clip is from?

 

[Cid]

Are video games that good now?

It looks real...

No they aren't. I mean what it is is another question, but what it isn't is a video game. Inclined to think its been fact checked if its cropping up in NYT etc as mentioned upthread.

Fucking bizarre couple of pages... Not for the posters I mean, but the whole what the absolute fuck is even happening of it all.

 

[klang]

Thats a very big propaganda win fir the Houthis. Dangerous stuff.

 

[klang]

It shows that the Houthis are capable of (or at least shownig a presence) controlling a strategicaly important part of the red sea around Hodeida, a port that has been hit pretty badly by war and embargoes....

 

[klang]

...and that they are prepared to take on super powers at war.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Maybe you could tell us which game the clip is from?

Don’t see why that matters, it’s so blatant it’s doesn’t bear discussing tbh.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Are video games that good now?

It looks real...

Yes they are.

 

[klang]

Don’t see why that matters, it’s so blatant it’s doesn’t bear discussing tbh.

I'd be intersted what game has houthi slogans and flags. Genuinely interested btw, don't know anything about games...

 

[tommers]

Don’t see why that matters, it’s so blatant it’s doesn’t bear discussing tbh.

I don't think it's from a game. The juddering is the wind.

 

[klang]

it certainly is real, the hijack if not the video. see eg https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...-in-red-sea-says-it-is-not-an-israeli-vessel/

So where is this vessel now, why is it still there, and what happened to the crew?

 

[ska invita]

Can anyone explain what "value criticism" is in plain language? I've googled and none the wiser

One for the notebook. 600 at a "Reclaim Antifa" alliance rally in Leipzig at the weekend

According to Leipziger Zeitung "The “Reclaim Antifa” alliance, which consists of the groups “Kappa”, “Utopia & Praxis”, “Youth Against the Right” and the feminist “Fantifa”, called for this. These groups had already called for an Israel solidarity event in May. " and " was under the motto “Now more than ever – against the anti-Semitic normal state”.

According to a Twitter link slogans on the march included :

"Nice weather, tough times, fight for Zionism!"

"No God, no state, no caliphate!"

"Free Gaza from Hamas - Free Westbank from Abbas"

"Germans know 1 direction - dominance, exploitation and destruction"

"We don't want a lot - solidarity with Israel"




There's also a belting catchy one third from the bottom that according to google translate says : "What gives Leninists steam - value criticism instead of class struggle!"
So there you go Westsplainers

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Also 75pc of Gaza's population of roughly 2 million homeless supposedly.

 

[kabbes]

Don’t see why that matters, it’s so blatant it’s doesn’t bear discussing tbh.

It’s a real ship, which really has been missing for the past 48 hours plus. As the NYT article says, “The whereabouts of the Galaxy Leader has been unknown since Saturday, when its last received location signal showed it in the Red Sea, between Saudi Arabia and Sudan.” And tankers have regularly been pirated over the years, because they have minimal crew. Why wouldn’t this be real?

 

[Cid]

Think there's an assumption that because people have been fooled by games in the past, it must be possible that anything's a game. Footage for most of that I believe came from Arma 3 (usefully generic environments)... Just... have look at what it those clips actually look like. It just needs to pass the 'some fucker on twitter test', and usually doesn't get much further than that. Also have a look at games like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III or Cyberpunk. Played in 4k ultra etc. They can't achieve this... E.g I'll stick one in spoilers below. Conveniently industrial. Look at the textures on storage stuff (e.g at about 9:50), look at how people move etc. That's if you even get past the fact the Houthis would have to have some of the best and quickest modders in the world.

Spoiler

Could be acted after the event or something, who knows, but it sure as fuck isn't a game.

 

[TopCat]

interesting perspective from martin wright floating the possible further mobilisation by the english far right feeding off wider islamophobia


not impossible i guess

Was talking to him about this last night. They are definitely going to try and take advantage.