UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit

[andysays]

It's just one of the many, many things that were never discussed or debated along with the general fug of deceptive bullshit around the whole Leave campaign. How the fuck can anyone reasonably vote for something when it hasn't even been explained or decided what it all actually means?!

If only Geldof and his showbiz chums had brought this crucial issue to our attention before the referendum, I'm sure the result would have been different as the electorate realised just how hard it would be for musicians to tour Europe in future...

 

[cupid_stunt]

When there was a heap more money to be made from record sales alone, a relatively small coterie of really bog bands, and you could afford to pay for the Rollers you drove into swimming pools out of your touring budget, you mean?

Which bit of 'The Beatles ... long before they became famous', did you not understand?

 

[Pickman's model]

If only Geldof and his showbiz chums had brought this crucial issue to our attention before the referendum, I'm sure the result would have been different as the electorate realised just how hard it would be for musicians to tour Europe in future...

Geldof was going to do this during his jaunt on the Thames during the referendum campaign but had a whiff of the barmaid's apron and got into an unedifying scrap with farage instead

 

[8ball]

Which bit of 'The Beatles ... long before they became famous', did you not understand?

They weren't touring in this case - they lived out there. On a shoestring, in shit conditions, but it's not relevant to the point about touring bands (when things took off and they later returned to Germany as a touring band, things were quite different).

The other side of the coin is that it also makes it harder for bands to come here.

Not that it's the biggest of the concerns in the whole shitshow, as has been pointed out many times, but there are a LOT of issues that aren't in themselves huge concerns. They add up.

 

[Dr. Furface]

My heros are Bakunin, Marx, Crow. None of them would have voted for bigger cages and longer chains like you lot.
We voted to burn the masters estate down not caring it makes us homeless.

Dream on

 

[8ball]

My heros are Bakunin, Marx, Crow. None of them would have voted for bigger cages and longer chains like you lot.
We voted to burn the masters estate down not caring it makes us homeless.

You still need a chain long enough to reach to the masters' estate with your jerry can.

 

[xenon]

Or maybe they thought the choice between either consolidating the power of Cameron and Osborne, or handing over the country to a different bunch of rabid incompetent fuckknuckles, was much like when a bully asks you whether you'd prefer to be punched in the face or kicked in the nuts.

^ A form of this for me.

 

[xenon]

Yes mon. Problem, monner?

He hates Mondays too.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Sorry but The Sleaford Mods want out too.

No they don’t? Unless they’ve done a massive u-turn since they ran greeting to those wankers at the New European.

 

[Edie]

kabbes is right. It’s a pointless ego trip highlighting something people already knew, and didn’t care enough about. I reckon most people knew it would damage big business, and businesses that traded internationally, but they didn’t care compared to taking back our country from the eu and reducing migration. There it is.

I think a large percentage of 'out' voters didn't consider the ramifications, and of those, a large percentage probably couldn't spell ramifications.

rumafikashions?

And fuck off to both of youse. You know what my reaction is when I hear whinging millionaires like Geldof and then sneering remainers following on? MASSIVE schadenfreud. Just makes me wanna do it all over again just to see your faces.

Yeh. Me? I'm a very reluctant remainer. There's lots about the eu that's absolutely abhorrent, but I felt on the day that climate change and the great potential for a general war made being in marginally better than leaving. Was I right? I don't yet know.

Similar. European war and a rise in hate was my biggest worry about leave. But in the end, wanting power back from that bunch of international banks and business interests called the EU, wanting a control on free movement, and just to say fuck you swung it for me.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

kabbes is right. It’s a pointless ego trip highlighting something people already knew, and didn’t care enough about. I reckon most people knew it would damage big business, and businesses that traded internationally, but they didn’t care compared to taking back our country from the eu and reducing migration. There it is.



And fuck off to both of youse. You know what my reaction is when I hear whinging millionaires like Geldof and then sneering remainers following on? MASSIVE schadenfreud. Just makes me wanna do it all over again just to see your faces.

Similar. European war and a rise in hate was my biggest worry about leave. But in the end, wanting power back from that bunch of international banks and business interests called the EU, wanting a control on free movement, and just to say fuck you swung it for me.

(The bit in bold)

 

[Yossarian]

From what I can follow of what Johnson, etc. have been saying about Brexit, at least this means everybody gets to see a lot more Canadian bands.

 

[8ball]

And fuck off to both of youse. You know what my reaction is when I hear whinging millionaires like Geldof and then sneering remainers following on? MASSIVE schadenfreud. Just makes me wanna do it all over again just to see your faces.

A bit like attempting to mug someone with the knife held to your own throat, but whatever lights your candle..

 

[TopCat]

It's just one of the many, many things that were never discussed or debated along with the general fug of deceptive bullshit around the whole Leave campaign. How the fuck can anyone reasonably vote for something when it hasn't even been explained or decided what it all actually means?!

Say for instance in a general election?

 

[TopCat]

So - just to get this straight - as soon as someone becomes a millionaire, their opinions on anything become worthless in your opinion?

Their opinions on politics will always be self serving and will never address the needs of working class people.

 

[Dr. Furface]

kabbes is right. It’s a pointless ego trip highlighting something people already knew, and didn’t care enough about. I reckon most people knew it would damage big business, and businesses that traded internationally, but they didn’t care compared to taking back our country from the eu and reducing migration. There it is.



And fuck off to both of youse. You know what my reaction is when I hear whinging millionaires like Geldof and then sneering remainers following on? MASSIVE schadenfreud. Just makes me wanna do it all over again just to see your faces.

Similar. European war and a rise in hate was my biggest worry about leave. But in the end, wanting power back from that bunch of international banks and business interests called the EU, wanting a control on free movement, and just to say fuck you swung it for me.

I thought it was 'Filthy Remainers' Julie?

 

[DotCommunist]

From what I can follow of what Johnson, etc. have been saying about Brexit, at least this means everybody gets to see a lot more Canadian bands.

that'll be a rush

 

[TopCat]

No they don’t? Unless they’ve done a massive u-turn since they ran greeting to those wankers at the New European.

I made it up knowing they probably make editor shudder with their being and he would not know that being artists tied to the corporate tit they are stinky remainers.

 

[TopCat]

This thread is part up an upswelling of moaning by the remainers. Happening all around.

 

[TopCat]

Forget baby eating anarchists forever please.
All the self proclaimed revolutionaries now profound supporters of the biggest Capitalist club in the world.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I made it up knowing they probably make editor shudder with their being and he would not know that being artists tied to the corporate tit they are stinky remainers.

Hahaha that’s cheered me up on this bleak day

 

[editor]

I made it up knowing they probably make editor shudder with their being and he would not know that being artists tied to the corporate tit they are stinky remainers.

And how wrong you were, although I am naturally flattered that you go out of your way to seek an emotional response from me.

 

[planetgeli]

Like in General elections.

Say for instance in a general election?

Thief! Thief!

 

[TopCat]

And how wrong you were, although I am naturally flattered that you go out of your way to seek an emotional response from me.

Oh come on. Chil out.

 

[editor]

Majority of Brits want to REMAIN in EU, major poll analysis finds

 

[kebabking]

This thread is part up an upswelling of moaning by the remainers. Happening all around.

I voted remain (reluctantly), and I find the wailing and self pity of those with little to wail and feel self pity about the most enjoyable part of the whole Brexit process...

I'm almost hoping that the post-Brexit situation is so bad that the collective Guardian writing and editorial team decide to emigrate.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Puhdys never kicked up a fuss like this, they just kept rocking it, made it over the wall and slipped in anti-wall stuff into their songs sneakily.

Majority of Brits want to REMAIN in EU, major poll analysis finds

FUCKIN SHOULD HAVE REGISTERED THEIR INTENT DURING THE REF THEN EH

 

[Pickman's model]

Similar. European war and a rise in hate was my biggest worry about leave. But in the end, wanting power back from that bunch of international banks and business interests called the EU, wanting a control on free movement, and just to say fuck you swung it for me.

a european war would be preferable to the greater conflicts on the cards.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

THIS GOES DOUBLY FOR LIBCOM ANARCHISTS THAT ABSTAINED AND LAID INTO BREXIT VOTERS FOR USING MIGRANTS AS COLLATEROL, WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING WHEN YOU SPOILED YOUR BALLOT YE THICK CUNTS

 

[cantsin]

It's not about them, you idiot. It's about the bands, promoters, roadies and all the other people whose livelihood depends on being able to play, promote and sell music abroad.

"It's about the bands, promoters, roadies and all the other people whose livelihood depends on being able to play, promote and sell music abroad."

Obviosusly, none of this stuff will make life easier for any band hoping to spread their wings and get out of the UK....but the amount of current bands " whose livelihood depends on being able to play, promote and sell music abroad " ?
would v be surprised if we're talking triple figures, and not entirely sure it would be double figures - can anyone name a single band they can think of that can't make a living here, but can in any EU territory ? .... its hard enough making any money from UK gigs in this day and age, let alone lumping in a load of travel / transportation costs to EU on top.... making live money via the EU mainland is for established / successful bands only, surely ?

Am not saying they shouldn't be able to, but it's hard to get to get too down about the prospect of EU live revenue streams getting chipped away at by increased bureaucracy for these bigger bands tbh.

(from what i gather, UK record industry is v relaxed about cross border IP / Copyright / sales issues post Brexit, so this is primarily a live issue )