Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?

[brogdale]

This.

And with more people paying taxes more infrastructure can be built.

Yep, absolute numbers look less significant given the context of changing cohort ratios between "working age" and 'dependent"...

 

[Gramsci]

More than 600 Brazilians deported by Home Office on three secret flights | Migration | The Guardian

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Looks to me that government is going around scooping up brazilians as its easy pickings.

Not that they are causing anyone any problems.

Includes children. Some at least who would have spent most of their lives here.

And I'm wondering how voluntary these deportations are?

 

[krtek a houby]

More than 600 Brazilians deported by Home Office on three secret flights | Migration | The Guardian

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Looks to me that government is going around scooping up brazilians as its easy pickings.

Not that they are causing anyone any problems.

Includes children. Some at least who would have spent most of their lives here.

And I'm wondering how voluntary these deportations are?

It's despicable. What good can come of this? Is it to satisfy critics who whine about the UK being a soft touch?

The need to get the stats looking good?

Absolute shitbags.

 

[magneze]

It's not a numbers issue though is it. It's not like we had riots because of the release of some numbers. It was a response to a particular event - a triple murder. The trigger has been fear. Yes, it was misdirected but countering something as visceral as fear with some numbers about migrants isn't really going to help IMHO.

We see this amped up on social media. The rape gangs in Rotherham - Elon Musk asking "Kier Starmer is this still happening" for example. Britain First seem to be all over the fear angle. It's easy to dismiss these but this stuff seems to be surfaced for people who aren't even following them. I'm sure someone will be along to say "well my Twitter feed doesn't have them", but who gives a shit. It's happening.

I still believe that leaving social media, particularly Twitter, is necessary. By sticking around on Twitter, no matter how anodyne your feed is sends the message to your contacts that it's still ok to be there. But you don't know what they're seeing, what they're being promoted. If all the good people leave it can finally collapse into a toxic hellscape. If Twitter doesn't fail then we'll see the other social media companies roll back Trust and Safety teams too and exacerbate the issue. In a way, Twitter has to fail and be seen to fail.

Of course, another idea would be to flood back and argue the toss there. However, with Musk as owner I cannot see a path to success - he'll make sure his message is amped up and other social media companies may see this as a success and take the same steps he has. Again, rolling back Trust and Safety and inviting back all the facists.

To return to this post, particularly: "I still believe that leaving social media, particularly Twitter, is necessary. By sticking around on Twitter, no matter how anodyne your feed is sends the message to your contacts that it's still ok to be there. But you don't know what they're seeing, what they're being promoted. If all the good people leave it can finally collapse into a toxic hellscape. If Twitter doesn't fail then we'll see the other social media companies roll back Trust and Safety teams too and exacerbate the issue. In a way, Twitter has to fail and be seen to fail."

Meta is now scaling back moderation: (Meta run Facebook, Instagram, Threads & WhatsApp)

Meta says it’s mistakenly moderating too much

A top exec says the company is working to bring down its moderation “error rates.”

www.theverge.com

 

[krtek a houby]

To return to this post, particularly: "I still believe that leaving social media, particularly Twitter, is necessary. By sticking around on Twitter, no matter how anodyne your feed is sends the message to your contacts that it's still ok to be there. But you don't know what they're seeing, what they're being promoted. If all the good people leave it can finally collapse into a toxic hellscape. If Twitter doesn't fail then we'll see the other social media companies roll back Trust and Safety teams too and exacerbate the issue. In a way, Twitter has to fail and be seen to fail."

Meta is now scaling back moderation:

Meta says it’s mistakenly moderating too much

A top exec says the company is working to bring down its moderation “error rates.”

www.theverge.com

Meta is FB, right?

And only now are they scaling back moderation?

Jesus. Thought it was a hell hole already.

 

[magneze]

Meta is FB, right?

And only now are they scaling back moderation?

Jesus. Thought it was a hell hole already.

Meta is Facebook, Instagram, Threads and WhatsApp. So three four massive social media networks rolling back moderation.

e2a: Forgot WhatsApp!

 

[krtek a houby]

Meta is Facebook and Instagram and Threads. So three massive social media networks rolling back moderation.

Thanks. What a time to be alive etc.

 

[Orang Utan]

hmm, thought they’d got better at zapping white supremacy propaganda. I haven’t seen any for ages.

 

[brogdale]

Just imagining the foam-flecked rage that this will produce out there in racist-land....

 

[ElizabethofYork]

So a religious-inspired name is the most popular one in 21st century Britain! Not great.

 

[brogdale]

So a religious-inspired name is the most popular one in 21st century Britain! Not great.

and 2nd place (boys).

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

So a religious-inspired name is the most popular one in 21st century Britain! Not great.

That's what I told my son Matthew.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

This makes for interesting reading looking at Spain's new policy , Spain's circular migration policy explained

Not sure it naturally translates to the situation in the English channel. Thousands die each year crossing to the Canaries.

 

[krtek a houby]

Just imagining the foam-flecked rage that this will produce out there in racist-land....

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"Mo" and "No" are lovely names

 

[toblerone3]

I have a concern about net immigration.

I think one of the figures was 700,000 more people in a year.

That is a lot of people, where are they all going to go?

Net 2.4 million over the past three years according to this. I find that genuinely worthy of concern and I speak as somebody who has written about the 'triple win' theory of the economic benefits of migration. It’s not bigotry to worry about migration – the latest figures tell a complex story | Larry Elliott

 

[krtek a houby]

"the list of those concerned starts at the top with the prime minister, who said that the latest figures were “off the scale”. Starmer is right about that. If the OBR is correct, by the end of this parliament migration will have boosted the UK’s population by 4 million in just eight years. The idea that this can happen without economic effects, without political ramifications and without the public noticing is for the birds."

Don't people leave the UK, or expire?

 

[andysays]

"the list of those concerned starts at the top with the prime minister, who said that the latest figures were “off the scale”. Starmer is right about that. If the OBR is correct, by the end of this parliament migration will have boosted the UK’s population by 4 million in just eight years. The idea that this can happen without economic effects, without political ramifications and without the public noticing is for the birds."

Don't people leave the UK, or expire?

The figures are for net migration, which means the difference in the numbers arriving and leaving

 

[brogdale]

Net 2.4 million over the past three years according to this. I find that genuinely worthy of concern and I speak as somebody who has written about the 'triple win' theory of the economic benefits of migration. It’s not bigotry to worry about migration – the latest figures tell a complex story | Larry Elliott

Personally, I feel more comfortable when people expressing concerns about rates of (net) immigration do so explicitly in terms of the structural forces that create the flows. It is concerning that the UK's housing asset class has inflated and wages stagnated to the point that there is such anti-natalist environment. 20 & 30 year olds in the poorly paid/precarious employment of neoliberal corporations cannot provide the secure homes usually seen as a pre-requisite for social reproduction. That, combined with increasing numbers of "boomers" with savings/asset values rejecting the neoliberal work environment, means that capital demands that the state maintains very porous borders.

Put simply, the UK's dependency ratio ('economically active' : those not 'working') are deteriorating so rapidly that, under neoliberalism, there is no obvious alternative to high rates of net in-migration.

 

[tim]

there was an interesting stat on the TRIP podcast. 16% of the UK's current population was born outside of the UK but in 2022 30% of all live births in England and Wales were to mothers born outside the UK and in London it was 66.5%. that's a rapid change, often most affecting the poorest communities.

Many if those 30% will be from the poorest communities