Japanese attitudes towards immigration vs UK

[Lotte]

And you're just another western imperialist, thinking that you can impose your values on others. And you don't even see how you're doing it.

Ohhhh boy you do not want to go there talking about imperialism when defending Japan. WW2 is in living memory.

 

[barlimo]

I would question the inherent assumption that isolated and/or less material cultures, such as those of the Amazon or aboriginal Australia, are necessarily stagnant. Just because cultural changes weren't recorded in writing or in architecture doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Oral stories passed down over generations were almost certainly embellished and adapted as they passed through history.



Actually a fair question, you know. The pre-colonial peoples of Australia weren't some homogenous mass.



Yes, that's the problem. You seem to think that cultures are somehow static and fragile things, rather than enduring and adaptive like the people who create them.

Correct we have no records but it is usually assumed that not much change occurred however given the length of time the Aborigines were said to have occupied Australia i.e. 65000 years, I am are probably wrong.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Oh yeah. I think my wife has only just stopped using them. Always seemed insane when it's litteraly a scanned document that is then printed out. I assume there was something official considered about the time and caller number stamps.

Also see money. It was only after covid that I noticed shopping with cards was more widely accepted.

My old work place used them for security purposes

We got sent people's details from the DWP

Email and regular mail we're considered unsecure so the options were fax or specialist currier.
Only fax was economically viable.

 

[JimW]

This was in the news recently, about archaeological finds from over 10,000 years ago closely matching a living ritual practice: Archaeological evidence of an ethnographically documented Australian Aboriginal ritual dated to the last ice age - Nature Human Behaviour
Also recall reading evidence found of agriculture being tried then abandoned, possibly after some contact with Polynesians (it was that coast), presumed because the opportunity cost didn't make sense, so not just static.
When the material circumstances barely change, culture will likely be more stable, in a world of flux, not so much. Either's fine, surely.

 

[barlimo]

Culture evolves. It's certainly changed in my lifetime!

 

[Serge Forward]

My sense of self

Don't blame us for your inadequacies.

 

[burtabraham]

Don't blame us for your inadequacies.

Who should I blame?

 

[mojo pixy]

Pretty much everything I like about British culture has been imported from elsewhere.

I'm sure the same could be said for japanese culture tbh

 

[barlimo]

80% of the English vocabulary is derived from other languages so I wonder about all the other things.

 

[Serge Forward]

Who should I blame?

See, there you go, looking for someone else to blame (Johnny Foreigner from the looks of it) with your "great replacement" shite. Wise up.

 

[burtabraham]

See, there you go, looking for someone else to blame (Johnny Foreigner from the looks of it) with your "great replacement" shite. Wise up.

You’re probably right. Fuck it all.

 

[Chz]

80% of the English vocabulary is derived from other languages so I wonder about all the other things.

Ultimately, 100% of Modern English is derived from other languages. But you could say the same about most modern languages, it's the nature of the beast. Some words are just older than others, and very, very few are actually unique in English with no derivation from elsewhere. ("dog" is one)

 

[mojo pixy]

80% of the English vocabulary is derived from other languages so I wonder about all the other things.

Yeah but 80% of the words and phrases you and I actually speak each day are just plain English, like this sentence.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Yeah but 80% of the words and phrases you and I actually speak each day are just plain English, like this sentence.

Quoted for the linguists to pull it apart.

Percent per centia latin
Sentance old French
Prase phrasis greek
Plain planus Latin

Etc etc

 

[mojo pixy]

Quoted for the linguists to pull it apart.

Percent per centia latin
Sentance old French
Prase phrasis greek

Etc etc

Not 'English':

• Percent
• Phrases
• Actually
• Use
• Sentence

5/23 = 22%

I do at least try to think before I post

(OK, plain too, fair enough)

Also Shippou-Sensei I am a linguist, thanks very much I know I'm working class & a bit weird but ffs, I have my own expertise in things too

 

[RevolutionSound]

I’m of dual heritage. I have no connection to the one side of my family, and on the British side we’re continually told that it doesn’t exist, or that everything we have was stolen from other cultures.

So yes, I feel my culture is threatened, or more accurately, I feel like I’ve never had one in the first place. And this is the problem I have with the left - it never preserves; it only ever deconstructs.

You obviously know very little British history.

 

[RevolutionSound]

My sense of self

Always the victim you lot

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m of dual heritage. I have no connection to the one side of my family, and on the British side we’re continually told that it doesn’t exist, or that everything we have was stolen from other cultures.

Well, it does exist. British Culture is the sum of the cultures that exist in the archipelago known as the British Isles. It’s impossible for there not to be culture wherever humans live. Of course bits come from other places. That’s kind of what happens. Not just here. Humans see a cool thing, they’ll say “ooh, I’m going to start doing that”.

If you ever watched Time Team you’ll know about the different burial practises throughout time, the different pottery types, beaker people pots, Hembury ware, La Tene Culture, Samian ware, Anglo Saxon claw glass beakers, Ham Green pottery, and much more.

These are all cool things. All worth knowing and celebrating. Nobody is saying all that and more should all be forgotten. Of course they aren’t. It’s all traditional culture found on these islands. It’s all part of the heritage of this strange archipelago.

We could go on. It’s all there. Nobody has erased it.

So yes, I feel my culture is threatened, or more accurately, I feel like I’ve never had one in the first place. And this is the problem I have with the left - it never preserves; it only ever deconstructs.

How is your culture threatened? Your culture is what you do and value. Nobody is taking that away from you.

How do you feel you’ve never had a culture? Of course you have. Your speech, your food, your customs, the music you listen to, the visual arts you enjoy.

I think the question is what do you want from culture, and what do you think it represents. You may have unrealistic expectations of culture. Especially if you’re resisting change. But that’s true of life. If you depend on nothing ever changing in order to be happy, you’re in for a world of pain. (My Zen Buddhism coming through there).

But if your culture includes eating pie and mash with liquor, or eels, or whatever it is. Carry on doing so for as long as you enjoy it. Nobody’s stopping you.

Taking away my culture!
I never even had one!
Its the lefts fault!

Can you point to one thing THE LEFT has taken away from you culturally

My sense of self

How? How has “the left” taken away your sense of self? That’s a very strange claim to make.

 

[barlimo]

Yeah but 80% of the words and phrases you and I actually speak each day are just plain English, like this sentence.

I don't have time to check all the words but interestingly the the alphabet itself is of Roman origin and if you go to Rome you'll see it on some statues that were carved round about 2000 years ago.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

How? How has “the left” taken away your sense of self? That’s a very strange claim to make.

Clearly being influenced by Japanese culture he has confused the left with Kappa and believes they stole his shirikodama.

 

[danny la rouge]

Clearly being influenced by Japanese culture he has confused the left with Kappa and believes they stole his shirikodama.

He's got no falurum he's lost his ding durum.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

He's got no falurum he's lost his ding durum.

Culture!

 

[JimW]

Perhaps his culture was Boer War re-enactment and the anti-imperialists have made him feel bad about it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Perhaps his culture was Boer War re-enactment and the anti-imperialists have made him feel bad about it.

Maybe he could try Italian Job reenactment instead.

“I only said to blow the bloody doors off”.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Maybe he could try Italian Job reenactment instead.

“I only said to blow the bloody doors off”.

Italian job??
WHAT ABOUT BRITTISH JOBS!!

 

[danny la rouge]

Italian job??
WHAT ABOUT BRITTISH JOBS!!

It’s got Minis and Noel Coward! How much more British do you want?

 

[Serge Forward]

This might be useful for a staunch defence of "our culture":

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

It’s got Minis and Noel Coward! How much more British do you want?

Relocate the action from Turin to Sheffield.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

This might be useful for a staunch defence of "our culture":

 

[NoXion]

It's funny to me that apparently for some people, when the subject of "British culture" is mentioned, the hoary old examples of bowler hats, Morris dancing, pie & mash, etc tend to be brought up. Such things are part of it for sure, but they're a bit dated and there's more to it than that. When I think of British culture, I think of things like drum & bass, open-air music festivals optimistically taking place during our unpredictable summers, and Notting Hill Carnival. Those things aren't exactly brand new either. I'm old enough that I have no idea what the kids are into these days, but I don't doubt for a second that whatever it is, they'll put their own spin on it.