Immigration to the UK - do you have concerns?

[kalidarkone]

Imagine being upset about black footballers. Christ. Who cares what colour they are as long as they're good and they play up. Half of the Wednesday squad are black or mixed-race and Charles is a decent backup keeper.

Did a black guy bang your mum?

Nah his wife.

 

[Orang Utan]

Ah, was it badco wot got banned?

 

[krtek a houby]

In all seriousness, it's been suggested by a number of posters that we should be trying harder to engage with angry right leaning posters, and that's commendable, however imho it's difficult to do so with someone like Hotel Chocolate

 

[mojo pixy]

In all seriousness, it's been suggested by a number of posters that we should be trying harder to engage with angry right leaning posters, and that's commendable, however imho it's difficult to do so with someone like Hotel Chocolate

As soon as someone starts responding with memes, any further sincere engagement with them is a waste of effort. There's no point arguing with someone who hasn't got any arguments left, or who never had any to start with .

 

[Boo Radley75]

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The future of tennis is the Williams sisters? Two retired players in their mid 40s?

 

[teqniq]

This, essentially:

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[danny la rouge]

This, essentially:

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She’s essentially right, even if on a grouchy day I’d quibble about some of the language she uses. But good for her. That’s the message.

 

[weltweit]

I have a concern about net immigration.

I think one of the figures was 700,000 more people in a year.

That is a lot of people, where are they all going to go?

 

[danny la rouge]

I have a concern about net immigration.

I think one of the figures was 700,000 more people in a year.

That is a lot of people, where are they all going to go?

There 605,479 live births in England and Wales in 2022 (ie not including Scotland and NI). That’s a comparable figure. Why aren’t people rioting about where are the babies are going to go?

 

[weltweit]

There 605,479 live births in England and Wales in 2022 (ie not including Scotland and NI). That’s a comparable figure. Why aren’t people rioting about where are the babies are going to go?

I don't think I said anything about rioting, just a concern.

I wonder in the case of babies what the overall population effect is? i.e. net including the effects of deaths. I suppose immigration could also be looked at in that light.

Overall, net of all changes what happens to the UK total population year to year?

 

[brogdale]

There 605,479 live births in England and Wales in 2022 (ie not including Scotland and NI). That’s a comparable figure. Why aren’t people rioting about where are the babies are going to go?

I agree with the sentiment, but that's demographically incomplete. The more appropriate comparison with net migration figures would be net natural population figures. For 2023 there was actually a very small natural population decline with 16,300 more deaths than births across the UK in the year to mid-2023.

 

[Poot]

Another way to look at it is that globally births are significantly outnumbering deaths, which is very positive. As a species we're thriving. Why should the UK be immune to that?

 

[Pickman's model]

Another way to look at it is that globally births are significantly outnumbering deaths, which is very positive. As a species we're thriving. Why should the UK be immune to that?

I don't know why you think that's positive.

 

[klang]

There 605,479 live births in England and Wales in 2022 (ie not including Scotland and NI). That’s a comparable figure. Why aren’t people rioting about where are the babies are going to go?

Mine is certainly a riot

 

[Saul Goodman]

I don't know why you think that's positive.

It's a positive for capitalism.

 

[danny la rouge]

that's demographically incomplete

That was kind of my point: so is immigration. It’s one figure among many.

 

[MickiQ]

There 605,479 live births in England and Wales in 2022 (ie not including Scotland and NI). That’s a comparable figure. Why aren’t people rioting about where are the babies are going to go?

Live with their parents I would imagine not many newborns on the council house waiting lists.
As for immigrants coming into this country I would imagine that they will join the existing competition for whatever housing stock is available with whatever consequences may result.
Living in a detached house in a nice part of the country I don't feel threatened by immigrants even though I do in fact have one living next door.
However I imagine people who are struggling to find housing may not appreciate what they see as more competition.
People see the world coloured by their own circumstances.

 

[danny la rouge]

whatever housing stock is available with whatever consequences may result.

How many empty homes are there in the UK?

Campaigners and local councils are calling for government action on rising numbers of long-term empty homes across the UK

www.bigissue.com

Furthermore “immigrant” isn’t the same as “refugee”. Whereas many refugees will be without income (and aren’t allowed to work according to the rules), many immigrants will be buying homes, including new build.

 

[PTK]

How many empty homes are there in the UK?

Campaigners and local councils are calling for government action on rising numbers of long-term empty homes across the UK

www.bigissue.com

Furthermore “immigrant” isn’t the same as “refugee”. Whereas many refugees will be without income (and aren’t allowed to work according to the rules), many immigrants will be buying homes, including new build.

Off topic: Please restore the wonderful image that you used to use, the one of the bust with a hat. It suited well your posts.

 

[MickiQ]

Absolutely immigrants covers everything from folks sneaking across the Channel in leaky dinghies to Russian oligarchs who wish to stay away from improperly secured windows.
Refugees actually make up about 10% of immigrants but they are the most visible and on the principle of 'All ducks are birds, therefore all birds are ducks' a lot of people think they are all of them.
Immigration like housing is a complex issue that cannot br resolved by simple solutions.

 

[brogdale]

I don't think I said anything about rioting, just a concern.

I wonder in the case of babies what the overall population effect is? i.e. net including the effects of deaths. I suppose immigration could also be looked at in that light.

Overall, net of all changes what happens to the UK total population year to year?

Virtually all of UK population growth has recently resulted from positive net migration.

 

[danny la rouge]

Immigration like housing is a complex issue that cannot br resolved by simple solutions.

I don’t begin by thinking of it as a problem that needs to be “resolved”.

 

[danny la rouge]

Off topic: Please restore the wonderful image that you used to use, the one of the bust with a hat. It suited well your posts.

Done.

 

[burtabraham]

I have a concern about net immigration.

I think one of the figures was 700,000 more people in a year.

That is a lot of people, where are they all going to go?

Recently revised upward to 906,000 for 2023. That’s what prompted Starmer’s most recent statement on the issue.

Here’s a graph showing how net numbers have changed over time (figures are from before the recent revision upward)

 

[planetgeli]

Refugees actually make up about 10% of immigrants but they are the most visible

'Boat people' are the most visible and successful refugee applications from them equate to roughly 5% of the immigration figure. But of course this,

and on the principle of 'All ducks are birds, therefore all birds are ducks' a lot of people think they are all of them.

is correct.

I have a concern about net immigration.

I think one of the figures was 700,000 more people in a year.

That is a lot of people, where are they all going to go?

New towns in Buckinghamshire and the Cotswolds are my preferred favourites.

The country is not full.

 

[brogdale]

'Boat people' are the most visible and successful refugee applications from them equate to roughly 5% of the immigration figure. But of course this,



is correct.



New towns in Buckinghamshire and the Cotswolds are my preferred favourites.

The country is not full.

Of course, any response to the question of "where are they all going to go?" would include care homes, hospitals, low paid insecure employment, slave-wage farming and over-priced and unfit HMOs. Welcome to modern Britain.

 

[Flavour]

These figures will be good for Reform polling

 

[brogdale]

These figures will be good for Reform polling

Take back control

 

[comrade spurski]

My local government pension was fucked by a white led British Labour Party.
I received below inflation pay rises for over a decade, started by the above Labour Party and a white led British Tory and Lib Dem coalition.
My daughter is in a zero hours contract job, being paid the minimum wage, working with vulnerable people because a firm owned by white British people take advantage of employment laws decided by a white led British government.
My other daughter can not get a council property because another White Tory PM made council's sell off properties while preventing them for building new ones.

I could go on tbh.

White British people aren't the cause of the problem, rich, ruling class people are...always have been and always will be.
That's the joy of capitalism.

They'll fuck our lives up and blame anyone but themselves and unfortunately people are desperate enough to take the bait

 

[danny la rouge]

The country is not full.

This.

And with more people paying taxes more infrastructure can be built.