Israel/Gaza: UK crackdown and backlash
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Cloo
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I note how 'antisemitic incidents' have become 'antisemitic attacks', creating the impression that all of these are literal physical attacks, rather than the vast majority of incidents being online abuse, which while shit, does not amount to Jews being set upon in the street.
Karl Masks
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Cloo
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I feel a bit as though the Labour party, or Starmer specifically, is like a hostage reading from a piece of a paper - he's being held prisoner by the threat of the Right scweaming and scweaming 'Antisemitism!' if he says anything other than 'Israel has a right to defend itself'. And it is the Right, not 'Jews', doing that, albeit there will be Jews that will back the Tories up unfortunately. I continue to be fucking sick of us being used as a stick to beat the Left with, by people who do not give a shit about us.
hitmouse
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Cloo
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Sadly heard today that a friend of ours from synagogue had someone wind her car window down and shout 'Terrorist!' at him as he walked back from there. Ironically about the most gentle person you can imagine and also thoroughly supportive of peace and ceasefire - his wife is Israeli as well.
I think he's perfectly comfortable with his original stated position. Israel has the right to defend itself up to and including cutting off food/fuel/water supplies. Labour right/centre's received wisdom is always back our international allies. The pressure is coming from the other direction.
teqniq
DisMembered
Liverpool council keeping it really classy:
skwawkbox.org
Liverpool council bans Jewish woman from speaking on Gaza ceasefire
Read below for her full speech – and the council’s excuses for its attack on democracy and free speech Helen Marks protesting for Gazans during October’s Labour conference (image …
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hitmouse
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Manchester venue cancels Palestinian event due to safety concerns
HOME said the concern for safety of staff, customers and audiences was 'paramount'
Shit statement from the venue, saying something vague about "safety" without making it clear whether they mean that they're scared of threats to their safety from Zionists if it goes ahead, or whether they think that allowing people to read writing by Palestinians is inherently dangerous in itself, or what.
likesfish
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Hastings council meeting cancelled not exactly sure why the motion couldn’t be heard or exactly what it would achieve.
Pickman's model
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Not that resilient thenManchester venue cancels Palestinian event due to safety concerns
HOME said the concern for safety of staff, customers and audiences was 'paramount'www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Shit statement from the venue, saying something vague about "safety" without making it clear whether they mean that they're scared of threats to their safety from Zionists if it goes ahead, or whether they think that allowing people to read writing by Palestinians is inherently dangerous in itself, or what.
teqniq
DisMembered
Here is a press release from the event organisers. It would seem they are considering legal action:Manchester venue cancels Palestinian event due to safety concerns
HOME said the concern for safety of staff, customers and audiences was 'paramount'
Shit statement from the venue, saying something vague about "safety" without making it clear whether they mean that they're scared of threats to their safety from Zionists if it goes ahead, or whether they think that allowing people to read writing by Palestinians is inherently dangerous in itself, or what.
teqniq
DisMembered
(cross-posted from the Palestinian protest thread) These kids have now been charged:
Outrage as pro-Palestine protesters target Keir Starmer’s home
The group, known as Youth Demand, are calling for the Labour leader to support an arms embargo against Israel
www.independent.co.uk
I omitted to mention that in the replies to that Tweet and other, similar ones there was lots of outraged centrist pearl-clutching that anyone could be so irresponsible as to do such a thing whilst others quite reasonably pointed out that there was little or no reaction to the door-stepping of Corbyn by a mostly hostile press. Double standards much?
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Cloo
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Wanted to flag up this very good podcast from two very well qualified guys I know from synagogue if you want to understand more about who British Jews are, what they think about various issues and why - I'm about halfway through the series and think it gives a good overview of what contemporary British Jewish life is actually like.
www.jpr.org.uk
Jews Do Count podcast: what makes a Jewish identity?
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Have we had this? Hard to say what to think about it.
www.theguardian.com
What does a longer video of the exchange between Met officer and antisemitism campaigner tell us?
13-minute video released by Sky News shows more nuanced discussion at pro-Palestinian march where officer called man ‘openly Jewish’
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, the Met vrs zionists is a bit United : Chelsea, isn't it?Have we had this? Hard to say what to think about it.
What does a longer video of the exchange between Met officer and antisemitism campaigner tell us?
13-minute video released by Sky News shows more nuanced discussion at pro-Palestinian march where officer called man ‘openly Jewish’
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
lets hope it ends up as United v Arsenal, October 20 1990
mojo pixy
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Have we had this? Hard to say what to think about it.
What does a longer video of the exchange between Met officer and antisemitism campaigner tell us?
13-minute video released by Sky News shows more nuanced discussion at pro-Palestinian march where officer called man ‘openly Jewish’
I think it's pretty clear Falter was looking for trouble to film, amusing that the best he could get was a copper being polite but firm
I've got a feeling this will end up being quite counter-productive from Falter's point of view. I think the longer video shows better what was actually happening. No surprise Falter (or whoever edits for him) edited it so hard for the initial release
two sheds
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Ah I didn't know of him
www.independent.co.uk
Who is Gideon Falter? Campaigner at centre of Palestine march antisemitism row
Gideon Falter was threatened with arrest after a police officer described him ‘openly Jewish’ at a pro-Palestine march
www.independent.co.uk
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Campaign Against Antisemitism managing to get a short unrepresentative video out to support the claim that their Chief Executive was just happening to go for a walk through a pro Palestine protest with a film crew and security (apparently the CAA refused to comment on this here: Met chief likely to survive calls to quit over officer’s ‘openly Jewish’ comment) and demanding the Met Chief resign and that there were Jewish No-Go Zones in London?
Oh and it turned out the longer video indicates Mr Falter had been walking into the flow of people, so not crossing the street like he said, the police gave him multiple options to be able to cross the street which he refused in favour of attempting to push past them.
This is some prime bullshit from the CAA, who Falter is now organising to walk alongside pro-Palestine protests in future - which I'm sure will be just as calmly reported on as this incident.
Oh and it turned out the longer video indicates Mr Falter had been walking into the flow of people, so not crossing the street like he said, the police gave him multiple options to be able to cross the street which he refused in favour of attempting to push past them.
This is some prime bullshit from the CAA, who Falter is now organising to walk alongside pro-Palestine protests in future - which I'm sure will be just as calmly reported on as this incident.
teqniq
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Met chief is not going anywhere and he's stood by the sergeant who talked to Falter:
www.theguardian.com
Met police chief praises ‘professional’ conduct of officer in antisemitism row
Exclusive: Mark Rowley says sergeant will not be disciplined and warns of ‘fakery’ by activists at other protests
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Has Looser Fox commented on this yet?Met chief is not going anywhere and he's stood by the sergeant who talked to Falter:
Met police chief praises ‘professional’ conduct of officer in antisemitism row
Exclusive: Mark Rowley says sergeant will not be disciplined and warns of ‘fakery’ by activists at other protests
two sheds
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There's also this on CAA although I can't see any update
www.theguardian.com
UK charities watchdog ‘assesses concerns’ about Campaign Against Antisemitism
Commission opens ‘regulatory compliance case’ after complaints that the charity is politically partisan
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
It's a real deliberate provocation isn't it? Given his past statements about pro Palestine marches, it's pretty clear he wants them banned and given there's been such a tiny, tiny proportion of arrests from the matches, he's trying to make it seem dangerous by being a dipshit.
A real "I should be able to go where the fuck I want with full cop protection, which includes deliberately walking into the middle of people who I have accused of bare faced Jew hatred and glorifying terrorism and have wanted banned" without thinking that it takes him look like a massive stupid prick.
A real "I should be able to go where the fuck I want with full cop protection, which includes deliberately walking into the middle of people who I have accused of bare faced Jew hatred and glorifying terrorism and have wanted banned" without thinking that it takes him look like a massive stupid prick.
Which is why I get angry when people say they're antisemitic. Plenty of Jews are pro-Palestine, I'm one, and we're not all Neturei Karta.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
British media just immediately reported it as presented to them by CAA, Braverman got involved straight off the bat. It's taken days for the other video to come out but the Met and the Mayor and stuff can't just turn around and go "yeah nah this is dumb".
Reminds me of a fucking heap of Corbyn era stuff because it's from the same playbook. Make incredibly wild claim on dodgy evidence and ride the outrage beyond the proof that the claim wasn't true, and then repeat the cycle.
Reminds me of a fucking heap of Corbyn era stuff because it's from the same playbook. Make incredibly wild claim on dodgy evidence and ride the outrage beyond the proof that the claim wasn't true, and then repeat the cycle.
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