Is a revolution possible in the UK?

[Larry O'Hara]

Personally, I have no problem with revolutionaries, provided they stick to emulating Karl Marx by sitting at home and writing stuff for other revolutionaries to read.

And I have no problem with anybody called Rasputin as long as they don’t get involved in Russian politics or any other

 

[rasputin]

And I have no problem with anybody called Rasputin as long as they don’t get involved in Russian politics or any other

Deal.

 

[PTK]

To what can the American Revolution be attributed to? A view thatvthe governed become oppressive?

The standard of living in 18th century America was good ; no threat from global warming

I think the "American Revolution" my have had an element of class struggle in it.

 

[Pickman's model]

To what can the American Revolution be attributed to? A view thatvthe governed become oppressive?

The standard of living in 18th century America was good ; no threat from global warming

Quite. The little ice age produced quite a contrary threat. But who was this standard of living good for?

 

[bcuster]

Quite. The little ice age produced quite a contrary threat. But who was this standard of living good for?

The colonizers who extorted exorbitant taxes from the colonists

 

[bcuster]

I think modern day UK should study the American Revolution very carefully and learn the appropriate lessons therefrom.
Is the class struggle against an imperialistic colonizer ever discussed in England?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I think modern day UK should study the American Revolution very carefully and learn the appropriate lessons therefrom.
Is the class struggle against an imperialistic colonizer ever discussed in England?

Actually, starting with analysis of British society might be best: which would include the aspect you refer to.

 

[PTK]

The American Revolution is not the kind of thing we need. We already have a capitalist class in charge.

 

[Pickman's model]

The colonizers who extorted exorbitant taxes from the colonists

they were it seems paid more and taxed less than people in england Tea, Taxes, and the Revolution which rather flies in the face of your claim

 

[bcuster]

The American Revolution is not the kind of thing we need. We already have a capitalist class in charge.

yes; still, some lessons regarding the inhumane treatment of fellow citizens can be learned

 

[_Russ_]

they were it seems paid more and taxed less than people in england Tea, Taxes, and the Revolution which rather flies in the face of your claim

No it doesn't. The fact one country has less exorbitant taxes than anothers doesnt exclude that their taxation is still exorbitant, its a subjective term anyway and in this context is a perfectly reasonable description.

 

[Pickman's model]

No it doesn't. The fact one country has less exorbitant taxes than anothers doesnt exclude that their taxation is still exorbitant, its a subjective term anyway and in this context is a perfectly reasonable description.

That's a really stupid post, poor bcuster could have done without your abject assistance

 

[The39thStep]

I think modern day UK should study the American Revolution very carefully and learn the appropriate lessons therefrom.
Is the class struggle against an imperialistic colonizer ever discussed in England?

A successful struggle by the American bourgeoisie against monarchy and colonialism which led to the establishment of a ruling class of property holding ex-colonists. and the introduction of voting by property-holding men over 21. Although there was no change in the mode of production the overthrow of the rule of the British monarchy and British Parliament allowed the American bourgeoisie to develop trade and industry abolishing some vestiges of the former British aristocracy's feudal traditions.

 

[bcuster]

A successful struggle by the American bourgeoisie against monarchy and colonialism which led to the establishment of a ruling class of property holding ex-colonists. and the introduction of voting by property-holding men over 21. Although there was no change in the mode of production the overthrow of the rule of the British monarchy and British Parliament allowed the American bourgeoisie to develop trade and industry abolishing some vestiges of the former British aristocracy's feudal traditions.

Well said

 

[Brainaddict]

A successful struggle by the American bourgeoisie against monarchy and colonialism which led to the establishment of a ruling class of property holding ex-colonists. and the introduction of voting by property-holding men over 21. Although there was no change in the mode of production the overthrow of the rule of the British monarchy and British Parliament allowed the American bourgeoisie to develop trade and industry abolishing some vestiges of the former British aristocracy's feudal traditions.

Even to say it was against colonialism is overly generous. It was a struggle for control of a colony, which did not cease to be a colony once the americans won. In fact, they began to expand ever more quickly into indigenous territories, which the British army had sometimes held them back from doing, because even the British occasionally balk at genocide.

 

[A380]

Except the military aspect of the American war of independence was predominantly provided by a rival colonial power to the British, Bourbon France. It was much more fight between empires than a revolution. Of course, many of the officers and soldiers took their experiences and readings of the Americans and used it to inform the French Revolution, which was much closer to what many define as a revolution.