elbows
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Gone to the Big Society in the sky.
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It’s where poorer people retire to fwiw. A fair few reactionary old bigots. Those places probably have a lot of retired Londoners of the type who go on about London not being English anymore. Fertile ground for Farage’s con trick.
lazythursday
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There are downmarket coastal towns in plenty of parts of Britain though, and the reform vote seems especially concentrated in the east, which is interesting. Reform didn't even come second in Blackpool North or Morecambe, for example.
andysays
Love and solidarity
elbows
Well-Known Member
The east phenomenon has been around a good while. I've not put the time or effort into it, and lack the experience, so I cant really do a proper analysis. But I know that in the past the phenomenon has begun immediately to my east. I'm in Nuneaton and as soon as you go a tiny bit further east and cross the A5, rural areas and small towns start to pop up from Hinckley onwards where Labour dont traditionally have a large foothold, and where the likes of UKIP and Kilroy-Silk have found some kind of platform in the past. Likely a combination of local job industries, seasonal employment and rural aspects, retirement patterns, ethnicity etc all play their part in this, and maybe some other factors I never thought about.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I know round Peterborough way there was a large influx of people from Eastern Europe to work in the agricultural and food processing industries, I think because Britain allowed them to work here sooner than some other states when they joined the EU.
There was little in the way of provision for this, stuff like doctors didn’t get any extra funding, houses were getting turned into cramped HMOs with people sharing bedrooms in shifts to keep costs down.
The impact from this caused some local hostility. Also men living together in cramped conditions away from home would drink and occasionally fight among themselves, some stabbings as a result, made neighbours fearful even though violence pretty much contained to the group. But the likes of UKIP/Reform always would go after migrants, not those exploiting them.
If Labour has a shred of decency about migration they’ll focus on illegal employment, human traffickers etc. rather than the victims of this. I’m not that hopeful however and expect political attacks on refugees to continue.
It won't be lonely with Localism for company.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
It'll have the citizen's charter for company.
Gaia
Urban's Village Idiot
It's been dubbed the 'sea wall' (a la the red wall and the blue wall) and, yes, it tends to lean (far) right. I'd also not be surprised about Farage winning Clacton, don't forget that only a few years ago it was UKIP (Carswell after he'd been chucked out the Tories, in a similar manner to 30p, and defected to UKIP because Brexit gave him a stiffy, he stood down in 2015 and the seat became Tory again). Doug's now in the US. Many of the most deprived and impoverished towns in the UK (certainly in England) are on the coast. Jaywick, which the Clacton constituency includes is the most impoverished place in England. Sea wall voters tend to be anti-immigration, nationalistic and Eurosceptic.
When I think of Clacton (which I admit I try not to) it's a '70s town, really, isn't it...? I think of extremely 'un-PC' 'comedians, eg Manning, Davidson, Dawson, Chubby 'Royston Vasey' Brown, et al - it's southern Blackpool really, innit...? Except Blackpool is Labour (although Reform came second).
Having said that, there's a fair deal of overlap between the 'sea wall' and the 'red wall'.
UKIP's largely an irrelevance now - the UKIP candidate in Clacton lost his deposit.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yes a key part of majors "classless society"
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Starry Wisdom
It comes to something when sir John major is in many ways to the left of the Labour governmentYes a key part of majors "classless society"
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It does leave the question of whether someone in Labour had a word with the police.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
this was predicted. Big turnouts in the middle class areas less so elsewhere. No one wants to say it without circumlocution on the tele but basically the politics of 'where else have they got to go'- which has served everyone so well and deffo not empowered the far right
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
This is a good read.
www.theguardian.com
It was a landslide election but this much is clear: neither Labour nor the Tories stand on solid ground | Aditya Chakrabortty
We know Starmer is in No 10, the Tories in disarray but what lies beneath should worry the entire political class, says Guardian columnist Aditya Chakrabortty
Richard46
Talking Backwards
Our old MP Tony Banks taking the oath with his fingers crossed.
Tony Banks swears the Oath
The late Baron Stratford was one of the most colorful characters to grace the British politics in the recent years. As plain the Rt. Hon. Tony Banks, he and his acidic wit served with distinction i…
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Starry Wisdom
Yeh the shammerite majority may melt like snow in the SaharaThis is a good read.
It was a landslide election but this much is clear: neither Labour nor the Tories stand on solid ground | Aditya Chakrabortty
We know Starmer is in No 10, the Tories in disarray but what lies beneath should worry the entire political class, says Guardian columnist Aditya Chakrabortty
Another article along the same lines.
hyphenonline.com
Starmer seems reluctant to talk about Muslims — but he can’t ignore the issue forever
Labour’s new prime minister was accused of ‘swerving’ questions about British Muslims’ relationship with his party. It’s a risky strategy
hyphenonline.com
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Starry Wisdom
He's digging his own grave. If andrew feinstein stands against him again - and I hope he will - I think he'll eject the nefandous shammerAnother article along the same lines.
Starmer seems reluctant to talk about Muslims — but he can’t ignore the issue forever
Labour’s new prime minister was accused of ‘swerving’ questions about British Muslims’ relationship with his party. It’s a risky strategy
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
From VoteUk:
Sitting MPs defeated at general elections since 1945
1945 - 174
1950 - 84
1951 - 25
1955 - 19
1959 - 33
1964 - 63
1966 - 51
1970 - 78
1974f - 52
1974o - 29
1979 - 65
1983 - 63
1987 - 41
1992 - 60
1997 - 133
2001 - 21
2005 - 50
2010 - 76
2015 - 92
2017 - 67
2019 - 79
2024 - 218
Sitting MPs defeated at general elections since 1945
1945 - 174
1950 - 84
1951 - 25
1955 - 19
1959 - 33
1964 - 63
1966 - 51
1970 - 78
1974f - 52
1974o - 29
1979 - 65
1983 - 63
1987 - 41
1992 - 60
1997 - 133
2001 - 21
2005 - 50
2010 - 76
2015 - 92
2017 - 67
2019 - 79
2024 - 218
andysays
Love and solidarity
And if I remember correctly, a pretty much unprecedented number of MPs stood down, ie didn't seek reelection.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Biggest by quite some way.
Parliament could be quite random this term, with so many new people
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I was wrong. They didn't appoint Vicky Foxcroft.
Anger and frustration over Labour’s ‘disgraceful’ decision not to appoint Foxcroft as disability minister
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Lowest turnout in UK general election since universal suffrage, report shows
IPPR thinktank finds that only 52% of the British adult population cast their ballots on 4 July
Can't think why...
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
no - think when dennis skinner said 'but not her heirs and successors' i think the unspoken response was along the lines of 'oh heck, it's him, let's pretend we haven't noticed'
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