not a trot
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Farage has his first question ready. What time does the bar open ?
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gosub
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Hadn't thought about that. Yes , the mighty 5 will each have their own portfolios. Oh my, who will be the Reflux Environment Spokesperson?
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Why wouldn't they? Is there something either in parliamentary or the party's laws that wouldn't allow it?
<edit: oh, wait, presumably in the Commons, at least, a party can only have one official 'leader', for... reasons?>
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hiraethified
You're banned from this thread for obsessive disruption.
Bingoman
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I would think so atm unless they get more MPs in the future
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I mean, hate to say it but they're not wrong.
Jennaonthebeach
If you say so
if they achieve power under fptp though will they change anything? Or, maybe the bellyaching is just part of the general cashing in on unrest with Labour and Tories strategy and they don't actually give a crap.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Sure and they could easily be the beneficiaries of this shitshow at some point especially if the Tories implode. They're coming second and third in many places already.
elbows
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Well it can join the list of other things that make a mockery of the system and lofty ideas about 'democracy'.
The main caveat thats used, if we imagine a fairer system and what impact that would have on future elections, is the idea that plenty of people vote tactically with the current system in mind. So if we held an election with a different system, that would have some impact on voting that is hard to predict, hard to use figures from this weeks election to make claims about.
Likewise, if we were facing an election where there was the prospect of reform gaining significant real power, we dont know what that would do to the potential votes by all the people that could not stand the idea of them gaining power. A factor which could be highly relevant given the big chunk of people that have not voted at all in recent general elections.
elbows
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From that angle they just lost a load of power then, because the tories arent in power any more.
And I dont know as Id attribute that hard right agenda to Reform, as opposed to it being out there more generally and them just taking advantage of it and organising around it, and the even broader phenomenon of people wanting an obvious home for their protest vote. It has an impact on rhetoric and certain government priorities, but beyond brexit I dont know what actual policies it will end up enabling really. Its hard to predict during this wobbly time globally where the failures of neoliberalism over a very long period of time have come home to roost. Especially as sometimes the far-right populist bogeyman fears are actually used by the neoliberal 'centre' as being one of the few reasons left they can come up with as to why people should still vote for the 'centre' and more neoliberalism. I dont know if this stuff will just go round in circles for decades to come or whether it will explode at some point, or what that will look like.
Jennaonthebeach
If you say so
Could be argued they're influencing Labour too as Labour are in the firing line now - and they've already relinquished ground on immigration and the EU.. What next?
elbows
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I'm inclined to attribute Labours shifting stance in those areas to the right wing of the Labour party, but I'd certainly agree that what the herd managers can get away with promoting as being the acceptable bounds of 'legitimate debate' are influenced by the rise of right wing populism, in stark contrast to what happened with the left-leaning opposite.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
It's been bizarre seeing so many people making the argument that Starmer has played a blinder by going for a wide voter spread, rather than "wasting time and energy on votes that don't matter"*, with seemingly no thought to what the concept of "votes that don't matter" means for the fundamental state of our democracy.
*in response to the point that Labour received more votes and vote share in 2017 and 2019.
*in response to the point that Labour received more votes and vote share in 2017 and 2019.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Or one of the 58 new Lib Dems I can't believe I just typed that it feels insane
strung out
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No it hasn’t. Count is still ongoing.
No guarantee the ‘mismanaged’ Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire recount will be delivered today
Conservatives, Lib Dems and SNP election staff say ‘we are getting more frustrated as this mismanaged election count goes on’.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
No it hasn’t. Count is still ongoing.
No guarantee the ‘mismanaged’ Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire recount will be delivered today
Conservatives, Lib Dems and SNP election staff say ‘we are getting more frustrated as this mismanaged election count goes on’.www.inverness-courier.co.uk
The count may be still going on, but the the SNP have already conceded defeat, about 10 hours ago. so it's a LD win.
Recount begins for Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire
The SNP candidate has already conceded defeat, with the seat expected to be won by the Lib Dems.
www.bbc.co.uk
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
If even the acknowledged winner is unhappy about the count, something pretty ropey obviously happened!No it hasn’t. Count is still ongoing.
No guarantee the ‘mismanaged’ Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire recount will be delivered today
Conservatives, Lib Dems and SNP election staff say ‘we are getting more frustrated as this mismanaged election count goes on’.
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Why is it taken so long?No it hasn’t. Count is still ongoing.
No guarantee the ‘mismanaged’ Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire recount will be delivered today
Conservatives, Lib Dems and SNP election staff say ‘we are getting more frustrated as this mismanaged election count goes on’.
Jennaonthebeach
If you say so
I mean, been thinkin about this, and I don't see how Labour could have had any control over the spread of the Labour vote, short of asking people to move house, which they clearly didn't do. Its just blind luck isn't it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They discovered too late the first lot of tellers were numerically challenged
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
“Returning officer Derek Brown said the delay was due to a discrepancy between the verified votes total and the provisional number of counted votes.” BBC
Conservative candidate Ruraidh Stewart’s election agent Donald Mackenzie said: “The issue is that we do not know what the difference between the actual votes and those that they had is – if it was seven then it is fine, just a rounding error, I am not interested. If it was 700, then I am interested.” Inverness Courier.
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