Jennaonthebeach
What would Picard do?
well, eventually, yeah.1870s?
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Eric Jarvis
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I believe in reality. I do not believe in refusing to do what I can with what currently exists just because it isn't how it ought to be. I refuse to just sit back and snark when things need changing. I refuse to accept that what is presented by the mainstream media trumps what actually happens in the real world. By all means if you believe the only option is a violent revolution to completely overturn the whole lot then go ahead get on with it, I'm probably too old now to man the barricades but I will quite happily pass on any advice I have, though that will largely be theoretical as so far in my lifetime nobody in the UK has even vaguely got started on such a thing. In the mean time I'm going to look for the weaknesses in the current corrupt system to try to get what change is possible.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
I thought Brexit was supposed to be about bringing back the "glorious" British Empire, which basically means the 50s at the latest. The 1850s in the case of Dame Jacob Rees-Mogg.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Two years after he was out of office? The Labour government was vehemently opposed to any possible nationalisation of Anglo-Persian, but I think we can still put the coup on Churchill....as an aside I was reading this morning how this
...was Clement Atlee's doing
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
PTK
Paul Kegan
Wiki states this:
"the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country.[13][14][15] After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[16] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee (in power until 1951) opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[17] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[18]: "
PTK
Paul Kegan
Have you ever managed to convince anyone of your point of view?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Back during the covid plague I opted for having a postal vote, and used the option of continuing for all future votes until I tell the register otherwise.
That gets me out of the photo ID bind and the polling station queues.
When I was a student, I was registered in both places.
But I was close enough to 'bike to the other place ...
That gets me out of the photo ID bind and the polling station queues.
When I was a student, I was registered in both places.
But I was close enough to 'bike to the other place ...
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Classic expectation management; cue rabbit from hat in March. Reinforces the idea that rat-boy was, of course, lying about his 'working assumption'.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I don't know why you're jumping to the conclusion that the only thing people can collectively do other than voting for members of the ruling class who represent capital is to immediately launch a violent revolutionary uprising. It would be nice, but there are plenty of other practical things people could get together and do for their own individual and collective interests, rather than the dead-end, pacifying diversion of voting - which would be a start.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
I'm not against direct action. In fact I have often taken part in direct action campaigns. However it helps if there's an open (or at least not locked and barred) foo push on, and that's where electoral politics comes into play. BOTH have to be happening or progress is glacially slow.
You're wrong. All politicians are the enemy. Left, Right and Centre. None of them deserve our support.
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ska invita
back on the other side
I have heard this rumour
Thinking about it what is happening in Gaza/Israel acts as antidote to any resurfaced accusations of antisemitism, in fact possibly the opposite
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Kind of hope it happens just to see the Guardian/Centrist collective head bursting tbh. Especially given their current spate of 'REFUK will save us' articles.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
It's far too late to do it now and have any real impact. Not that doing is sooner would make much difference really.
Probably one of the best things that could happen to the British working class would be for Jeremy Corbyn to cark it.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
It's a bold claim...perhaps you could expand on how him dying would help. I'm having trouble joining the dots here
I have no doubt that that's the case.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
As soon as Corbyn dies the People will recognise AmateurAgitator as their one true voice and The Revolution will proceed forthwith.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
hence the question, obviously.
So again: can you explain how the working class is served by Jeremy dying....go.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
If the argument is valid, then groovy sundary should go out and kill him. Surely emancipating the working class would be worth the loss of liberty.
Well that's true. But then the likes of Jeremy ('infallible saviour of the British proletariat') are politically naive, aswell as gutless.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
I'd rather have the safety net of elections than the bottomless pit of direct <s>election</s> action.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Or even better, travel back in time and kill one of his parents before he's even born.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
For the most left wing person ever you seem to have an an odd adherence to the great man idea of history.
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