Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza

[DotCommunist]

I don't get the numbers game. Why does it matter who's lost more?

given the disparity it shows who is the real agressor, when coupled with provocations,land grabs,illegal detentions and so on

 

[TruXta]

Wrong end of the stick. You can easily discern the morality of this by looking at the power, which the numbers tell you.

For this conflict in particular, or for most if not all conflicts?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

For this conflict in particular, or for most if not all conflicts?

We're not talking about all conflicts here are we?

 

[TruXta]

We're not talking about all conflicts here are we?

Your statement was kinda blanket. Anyway, I shan't derail this further.

 

[elbows]

Apparently no journalist asked Obama anything about Gaza in the press conference.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Your statement was kinda blanket. Anyway, I shan't derail this further.

It was on this thread! Isn't that how it works? You on a thread and reasonably it is assumed you're posting in relation to the thread.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Apparently no journalist asked Obama anything about Gaza in the press conference.

They didn't for the time the BBC was covering it. It was all about Petraeus.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Apparently no journalist asked Obama anything about Gaza in the press conference.

ffs

 

[TruXta]

It was on this thread! Isn't that how it works? You on a thread and reasonably it is assumed you're posting in relation to the thread.

Fair fucks, too many threads at the same time..

 

[redsquirrel]

Egypt recalling their ambassador to Israel

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Egypt recalling their ambassador to Israel

Link/source?

 

[dylans]

Cheers. What are the sources for these numbers?

A couple of sources. B.Tselem http://old.btselem.org/statistics/english/Casualties.asp which also groups casualties according to location ie Gaza, West Bank, Israel proper

The other source is Occupied Palestine http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/special-topics/♻-all-attacks-on-palestine-▶-overview/ which has a useful timeline

 

[Balbi]

Have Israel noticed that Egypt has really got their shit together recently? And that Syria's a fucking mess right now.

It's not 2008 any more chaps.

 

[elbows]

BBC live updates page
1926:
Egypt is recalling its ambassador to Israel, according to Egyptian state TV.

Link/source?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20328799

 

[redsquirrel]

Link/source?

Guardian live update page.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Cheers all.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Have Israel noticed that Egypt has really got their shit together recently? And that Syria's a fucking mess right now.

It's not 2008 any more chaps.

I've been wondering how this will play out, the world has moved on a lot in the last four years...

 

[IC3D]

Hamas must be incredibly weak right now because of Syria and fairly impotent in terms of retaliation, and again the strikes (if that's what you can call bombing a city) as in 2008 come prior to an election in Israel.

 

[elbows]

Dan Williams, Reuters correspondent in Jerusalem
tweets: Qatar, whose Emir was hosted by Hamas in Gaza last month, says Israel's killing of Jabari "should not pass without punishment".

 

[dylans]

Have Israel noticed that Egypt has really got their shit together recently? And that Syria's a fucking mess right now.

It's not 2008 any more chaps.

That's why they are doing it. Israel has a very consistent policy when it comes to its neighbours. Basically it relies on maintaining an overwhelming military superiority over every Arab state (and non Arab in Iran's case) and unleashing massive force and violence to degrade the military of any state that comes anywhere near to closing that gap.This is what its doing in Gaza right now. It feels that Hamas is too politically stable and has built too many garden shed missiles so its moving to degrade its military and shatter its command and control and political organisation and at the same time it is attempting to terrorise the population of Gaza into submission. Israel is literally launching a campaign of terror against the civilian population of Gaza.

 

[DotCommunist]

I've been wondering how this will play out, the world has moved on a lot in the last four years...

could do without a repeat of 67

 

[dylans]

Hamas must be incredibly weak right now because of Syria and fairly impotent in terms of retaliation, and again the strikes (if that's what you can call bombing a city) as in 2008 come prior to an election in Israel.

Hamas has always been weak. It's a tiny, badly armed resistance movement/government operating under siege in the most congested place on Earth, physically and politically isolated from half the Palestinian people, going up against one of the most sophisticated military machines on the planet. Militarily it hasn''t got a chance. It never has

 

[elbows]

Egypt hasnt exactly 'got its shit together' either. Only today a deal was announced for lots of EU money.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yet, if Hamas had assassinated Avigdor Lieberman, there would be widespread condemnation from the usual quarters and a massive assault on Gaza involving heavy armour.

And to be fair, if everv there were a cunt worthy of assassination, it's Lieberman.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hamas has lobbed 600 rockets at israel a millon odd israelis are living in bomb shelters.
So lets throw some precsion engineered death tech at random gazans who cant afford bomb shelters

Rockets my arse. Fucking glorified field mortars.

 

[ViolentPanda]

If Hamas persist in firing random rockets against Israeli towns and cities, why shouldn't Israel hit back?

Giles..

Fucking idiot. Why do you think a tiny minority of Palestinians are "firing random rockets" into Israel in the first place?

 

[IC3D]

Hamas has always been weak. It's a tiny, badly armed resistance movement/government operating under siege in the most congested place on Earth going up against one of the most sophisticated military machines on the planet

I know they're always militarily weaker, I meant more logistically and the level of popular support in the strip

 

[DotCommunist]

Rockets my arse. Fucking glorified field mortars.

Last time I saw a photo those things are guided by two rails and maths. Tremble before such wrath.

 

[Balbi]

Egypt hasnt exactly 'got its shit together' either. Only today a deal was announced for lots of EU money.

Fancy uniting a country experiencing transition problems? Huh, yeah, what is it good for, absolutely...oh.

 

[ViolentPanda]

sadly i doubt if the amount of materiel in one of the palestinian rockets would do much damage to that nefandous institution.

Going by the data on the various rockets available from defence websites, the biggest payload is about 15 kilos of explosive, usually home-made stuff that's not particularly brisant - "low" explosives if you will.