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Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza

Cities are big, given the crap nature of the rockets, if you aim for something big - more likely to hit it. If they aimed at settlements, the Israelis might not have noticed it was happening and there'd be some pretty crater ridden countryside.
 
Balbi said:
Cities are big, given the crap nature of the rockets, if you aim for something big - more likely to hit it. If they aimed at settlements, the Israelis might not have noticed it was happening and there'd be some pretty crater ridden countryside.
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Good point well made.
 
dylanredefined said:
Their both intending to kill its just the Israel ones are so much better at it. Israel has the right to self defence ,but,it really should address why the rockets are being fired than flattering gaza imho.
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Chomsky said:
When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing... You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense.
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two sheds said:
It's Israel that's doing the illegal settling :facepalm: .
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Firing a rocket into Israel is not an act of self defence though as you can't point it at anyone who is threatening your life.
It may be considered an act of resistance. Just not self defence. While the IDF can shell rocket sites as self defence blowing up the family house of someone involved in launching rockets would not be an act of self defence.
 
dylanredefined said:
Firing a rocket into Israel is not an act of self defence though as you can't point it at anyone who is threatening your life.
It may be considered an act of resistance. Just not self defence. While the IDF can shell rocket sites as self defence blowing up the family house of someone involved in launching rockets would not be an act of self defence.
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The argument isn't that the rockets constitute self-defence - it's that the Israeli attacks don't constitute self defence. :facepalm:
 
A school bully beats the crap out of the little snotty nosed kid every day and nicks his dinner money. One day the snotty nosed kid flicks a bogey at the bully so the bully kills him. Is the bully acting in self defence?
 
IDF are claiming 5 soldiers injured by rocketfire.

Confusion continues as to whether there is likely to be a ceasefire in a few hours or an invasion, mostly because of the leaflet drop that may contradict the other signs that point towards a truce. Some unnamed diplomats suggest truce is possible because Hamas have backed down on an end to the blockade of Gaza being a condition.
 
elbows said:
IDF are claiming 5 soldiers injured by rocketfire.

Confusion continues as to whether there is likely to be a ceasefire in a few hours or an invasion, mostly because of the leaflet drop that may contradict the other signs that point towards a truce. Some unnamed diplomats suggest truce is possible because Hamas have backed down on an end to the blockade of Gaza being a condition.
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Hamas were always going to back down on that one. The real issue is what started this thing. Israel's belief that it is entitled to routinely assassinate people in Gaza. For a lasting ceasefire and commitment by Hamas not to fire rockets then Israel have to agree to stop attacking Gaza everytime they see a target. Unless they do this, then no ceasefire will hold because the resistance quite reasonably will respond to such attacks and round and round we go again.

It is absurd for Israel to expect the resistance to give an assurance on rocket fire unless it also gives an assurance on targeted assassinations. To demand Hamas do that is not the demand for a ceasefire, it is the demand for unconditional surrender.
 
Ta. AJE has a translation now.

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog?f[0]=field_ns_topic:136
Military Announcement
To the residents of Sheikh Ijleen, Tal al Hawa, Remal al-Janoub, Zeitoun neighbourhood, Shoujaiyat al-Tourkman, Shoujaiyat al-Jadida:

The Israeli military is not targeting any of you and does not want to hurt you or members of your family.
For your own safety, you are requested to evacuate your houses right away and to move towards Gaza city through Cairo Road, Arab League Road, al-Aqsa Road, al-Qadisiya Road, Em el Leymoun, Salaheddine, al-Mansoura, Khalas, Baghdad.

The deployment in Gaza city is limited in the west of Salah al-Din Road, north of Omar al Moukhtar Road, East of Nasr Road, and south of al-Qods Road.

This confrontation is temporary and once it ends everyone will go home.
Obeying the orders of the Israeli military will result in you, civilian residents, not being hurt

The Israeli Defence Army Leadership
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Yeah, or its a terror tactic but I'm not convinced about that one.

Its caused a lot of anger as you might expect.
 

MANAMA, Bahrain (AP) — A Bahrain lawmaker says he set fire to an Israeli flag during a parliament session in a show of support for the Palestinians in Gaza.
Osama al-Tamimi says he smuggled a canister of gasoline into the chamber and set the flag ablaze Tuesday. The incident prompted a five-minute suspension of the session.
Al-Tamimi says he sought to "send a clear message to the international community" about Bahrain's support for the people of Gaza as they face Israeli attacks in retaliation for stepped up rocket strikes by the Palestinian group Hamas.
Bahraini authorities have banned pro-Gaza public rallies as part of wider clampdowns against political marches. The country last month outlawed all political gatherings in attempts to quell a 21-month-old Shiite-led uprising against the Sunni monarchy.
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http://www.pulse.me/ap/99e01daf771343d3a8283f848e3264b2
 
Morsi will sound like a right idiot if there is no truce, dont know why he said it, but it was at his sisters funeral.
 
elbows said:
Yeah, or its a terror tactic but I'm not convinced about that one.

Its caused a lot of anger as you might expect.
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Its arse covering so when they slaughter a load of civilians Mark Regev can smirk on TV and claim they were told to leave.
 
So do we think maybe Israel intends a limited (in terms of time) ground invasion or carpet bombing type thing in these areas - possibly because it's thought the Hamas rocket program might be based there - and then to end the operation?
 
as various journos are pointing out this affects nearly half of Gaza's population and comes just a few hours before dark.
 
I suppose I shouldnt rule out the possibility that its a last bit of willy waving before a truce, or even a 'negotiating tactic', or something that will be used for propaganda purposes to demonstrate their restraint if nothing happens.

I wouldnt bet on either of these though. Right now its dark and relatively quiet, although there are reports that a missile was launched from Gaza city some minutes ago.
 
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