Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza

[dylanredefined]

And iirc one or two rockets landed inside the zionist entity

incidentally, can you explain how hezbollah won a tank battle without tanks?

The israels sent an armored column into Lebanon against dug in Hezbollah postions who armed with anti tank weapons stopped them

 

[dylans]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/19/un-israel-west-bank-ceasefire-talks

Abbas is pissed off because he is losing support to Hamas. There have been demonstrations and rioting all over the West Bank and his goons have been struggling to crush them. Hamas and the resistance are coming out hugely enhanced from this and the PA is looking increasingly irrelevant. Abbas is hanging on to his UN bid in order to regain some credibility and Israel and the US blocking even observer status on this is undermining him. He needs it to save his scrawny treacherous neck

If, as is looking likely, Israel is hesitating about a ground invasion, then Hamas will have called their bluff, stood firm, demonstrated their ability to attack deep into Israel and to survive. Hamas will be able to present this as a symbolic victory something that will hugely raise their status as the legitimate voice of Palestinian resistance, not only in Gaza but in the West Bank and the Arab world too.

 

[teqniq]

Mark Regev is made to look like the utter cunt that he is on AJ:

 

[teqniq]

With regard to whether or not there is likely to be a ground operation:

Israel Puts 'Temporary Hold' on Gaza Ground Operation

Senior Israeli ministers decided overnight to hold off from launching a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip to give Egyptian-led truce efforts a chance to work, a senior Israeli official said Tuesday.

"A decision was taken that for the time being there is a temporary hold on the ground incursion to give diplomacy a chance to succeed," he told AFP following a late-night session of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's inner circle, the Forum of Nine.

"They discussed both the state of the diplomacy and the military operation," he said on condition of anonymity....

As well, I think that there may be issues with the Israelis thinking that maybe they haven't got as much public opinion with them this time round. Also knowing that the various fighting groups in Gaza have managed to obtain Fajr5 rockets, it would be a reasonable extrapolation to assume that they have also managed to obtain more or better anti-tank weaponry which would mean higher casualties for them.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sara Hussein ‏@sarahussein
Shots fired inside US embassy, @AFP reports citing Israeli radio

Sara Hussein ‏@sarahussein
Re: previous tweet, awaiting more details, but @AFP reporting shots fired inside US embassy in Tel Aviv #Israel

“@AJELive: BREAKING: Guard at #US embassy in #TelAviv allegedly stabbed http://aje.me/TVgB3f ”

 

[Treacle Toes]

"Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. Born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well known Zionist family, his grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer of the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His Father, Matti Peled, was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and Sinai. Miko's unlikely opinions reflect his father's legacy. General Peled was a war hero turned peacemaker"
http://democracyandclasstruggle.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-generals-son-exploding-three.html

^^^Video.

 

[nino_savatte]

nah it's the uk gov't state broadcaster and their line reflects the line of the gov't more or less

wouldnt say its the franchise of israeli propaganda at all, they do showthe other side, and as other have noted it tends to be more and more apparent the more israels behaviour goes on (as during cast lead)

thing is years of complaints of whatever (especially now) have made them pretty timid and complaint, more so than usual

I was being satirical.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Looks like Israel's 'Window of Slaughter' is closing - Hillary Clinton is on her way to negotiate a ceasefire

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/20/hillary-clinton-middle-east-gaza-conflict

She's probably had that visit in her diary since it all kicked off - ('OK Benny - you've got a week to do your worst before we don the white hat and ride in to save the day'). Ground assault now looking less likely - thank fuck.

 

[elbows]

Abbas is pissed off because he is losing support to Hamas. There have been demonstrations and rioting all over the West Bank and his goons have been struggling to crush them. Hamas and the resistance are coming out hugely enhanced from this and the PA is looking increasingly irrelevant. Abbas is hanging on to his UN bid in order to regain some credibility and Israel and the US blocking even observer status on this is undermining him. He needs it to save his scrawny treacherous neck

If, as is looking likely, Israel is hesitating about a ground invasion, then Hamas will have called their bluff, stood firm, demonstrated their ability to attack deep into Israel and to survive. Hamas will be able to present this as a symbolic victory something that will hugely raise their status as the legitimate voice of Palestinian resistance, not only in Gaza but in the West Bank and the Arab world too.

If that is the case then we should probably consider again the story that was doing the rounds last Wednesday very carefully. Perhaps Israel is getting what it wanted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20322405

However, Mr Lieberman was quoted last week by Israeli Channel 10 TV as saying he would ensure that the Palestinian Authority "collapses" if its unilateral UN bid went ahead.

He has also in the past described Mr Abbas, who is also known as Abu Mazen, as an "obstacle that needs to be removed".
The position paper states that the "main goal of the State of Israel" is to deter the Palestinians from unilaterally seeking non-member observer state status at the UN, which should be seen as "crossing a red line that will require the harshest Israeli response".
"If deterrence efforts do not succeed, Israel must extract a heavy price from Abu Mazen," it says.

 

[two sheds]

I read somewhere that if Palestine has observer state status they can take Israel to court for their war crimes. Having to argue their case in a court of law with proper evidence would clearly be the last thing the Israeli government wants.

 

[weltweit]

There is a real population, they have a government, they should be represented at the UN.

 

[FNG]

If that is the case then we should probably consider again the story that was doing the rounds last Wednesday very carefully. Perhaps Israel is getting what it wanted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20322405

That's a very good point,also by not using ground forces it could claim "restraint" and try to use that as a negotiating tool to block un observer state status.

on a more positive note have been reading reports that Hamas and Fattah have called a truce, nothing more substantial than a AP report of a joint statement regarding resisting Israeli Agression but a start.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I assume you mean Israeli rockets, but Gaza have been firing lots also and it is one certain way to deplete Gaza's stockpiles without needing troops on the ground.

You say "rockets" as if there's some sort of equivalence between the majority of the rockets fired from Gaza, and the guided munitions used by the state of Israel on Gaza. There isn't any.

 

[FNG]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...over-gaza-crisis/story-fnge5zl9-1226520105121

"From here, we announce with other (factional) leaders, that we are ending the division," Fatah's Jibril Rajoub told a crowd of about 1000 who had gathered for a demonstration in the West Bank's political centre Ramallah

Among those present were top members of Hamas's leadership in the West Bank, as well as senior officials from its smaller rival Islamic Jihad.

"Whoever speaks about the division after today is a criminal," top Hamas leader Mahmud al-Ramahi told the crowd.

 

[weltweit]

You say "rockets" as if there's some sort of equivalence between the majority of the rockets fired from Gaza, and the guided munitions used by the state of Israel on Gaza. There isn't any.

That was not the point I was making at all.

 

[elbows]

Thats a very interesting development, although I suppose we'll have to wait and see what it means in practice. If it holds then it could mean that everything has backfired badly for Israel, or they may yet be able to use it to scupper the UN agenda.

 

[dylanredefined]

You say "rockets" as if there's some sort of equivalence between the majority of the rockets fired from Gaza, and the guided munitions used by the state of Israel on Gaza. There isn't any.

Their both intending to kill its just the Israel ones are so much better at it. Israel has the right to self defence ,but,it really should address why the rockets are being fired than flattering gaza imho.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That was not the point I was making at all.

I know that, you gom.
However, the point is that you did exactly what I said you had done.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Their both intending to kill...

Are they? Why continue, for a decade, using a weapon that you know is ineffective at killing?
The answer being, you use it as a weapon of propaganda. A weapon that keeps your enemy on their toes, and shows your people that you're still "in the game".

its just the Israel ones are so much better at it. Israel has the right to self defence ,but,it really should address why the rockets are being fired than flattering gaza imho.

Ain't gonna happen. The state of Israel wants Gaza depopulated of Palestinians come Hell or high water, and once that's done, they'll want the West Bank too.

 

[DrRingDing]

Their both intending to kill its just the Israel ones are so much better at it. Israel has the right to self defence ,but,it really should address why the rockets are being fired than flattering gaza imho.

​

 

[Kanda]

Geezus....

Ariel Sharon’s son says “flatten all of Gaza”...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?ID=292466&R=R1&utm_

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Try skipping just one news bulletin, article, blog or your own rant and watch this, about the internationally acclaimed orchestra for people from both countries and others in the Middle East.

Please consider sharing too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K22pkacxfN0

"There is no path to peace. Peace is the path" - Ghandi

I refuse to believe the majority of Israelis or Arabs want mass death, even amid the fear, paranoia and blaspheming hatred that is thrust at them. Doubtless there are many groups uniting the peoples to work for peace.

But that doesn't make exciting news or speak to the ever-required Saints V Devils narratives of 24/7 MSM.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Geezus....

Ariel Sharon’s son says “flatten all of Gaza”...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?ID=292466&R=R1&utm_

Stuff like that and the racist stuff from IDF the other night does have it's uses. Few neutrals in the world can not see exactly what is going on.

But for all that, we are daft to think that plenty of Israels enemies wouldn't be doing the same thing back if their weapons technology was up to it.

What we are in many ways talking about here is men being fucking stupid wankers, less to do with ethnicity as much as even more base human failings.

Lots of this is being stirred up from outside on both sides. And on either side, the large majority seem to claim to be "children of god" - but too many are ever ready to break commandments 3, 6 and others, at a drop of a hat. Elsewise they are making excuses for others who are at it.

They disgrace their god and they disgrace humanity. By their own professed beliefs they are damned.

 

[elbows]

They disgrace their god and they disgrace humanity. By their own professed beliefs they are damned.

 

[Balbi]

....

 

[two sheds]

Their both intending to kill its just the Israel ones are so much better at it. Israel has the right to self defence ,but,it really should address why the rockets are being fired than flattering gaza imho.

Does Palestine have the right to self defence?

I feel that the people firing rockets that kill civilians - and the people authorising it - on both sides should stand trial and the guilty should face long prison sentences. You'd agree?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Gaza superimposed over NYC. Apologies for its small size.

 

[dylanredefined]

Does Palestine have the right to self defence?

I feel that the people firing rockets that kill civilians - and the people authorising it - on both sides should stand trial and the guilty should face long prison sentences. You'd agree?

Yes I would. I'don't know why the Palestinians keep firing ineffective weapons probably would jump at the chance of getting more lethal ones though most combatants do.

 

[two sheds]

I'm puzzled as why they target cities rather than the illegal Israeli settlements. Not that I'm recommending it but does anyone know?

 

[elbows]

Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi says he expects Israeli air strikes in Gaza to end later on Tuesday.
Egypt has been trying to broker a truce in the conflict. The statement came after Israel put plans for a ground operation on hold to give ceasefire talks in Cairo a chance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20413625