ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Indeed. Many would regard their activities as decidedly against the interests of both Jews and Israel.
Desmond Tutu on Hamas & The Israeli Blockade of Gaza
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Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Just a quick thought: Those who are indeed innocent of such things do not very often take a bit of their very little personal time to compose Op-Ed pieces defending their views on Jews and Israel...Sort of like a commercial they used to show on American tv, "My best friend is Jewish grandpa..." "Timmy, why is he just not your best friend?" Tut seems to be making too much of a point about his pro-Jewishness but that would not be evident to blanket defenders.
But, as Grandma/Grandpa has said, O offered a shjort list and list ye shall have. Best 'I get to work on it.
But, as Grandma/Grandpa has said, O offered a shjort list and list ye shall have. Best 'I get to work on it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Did you know there's a secret meeting that takes place every year, called Bildeer al-Beq, full of well-known figures from the financial and political world, who meet in a hotel in Ramallah to discuss their plans for world domination? And it's got nothing to do with Palestinians at all, in fact, most of the people who go there aren't even Arab. Nonetheless there is a small elite that, disproportionately, have Arabic names and origins. I feel that this elite must be discussed! What do you think? 
And thus, in a bizarre piece of double-reverse logic, rach outed himself as the sole surviving member of Black September. Nursing a Kalashnikov and a grudge, he sat in his basement in Beirut, self-defeatingly protesting his love of Israel all over the intermawebbies, and bided his time...
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
By that token I must be an Israeli hater? I have been on numerous demos against the far right protesting about attacks on Jewish graves and race attacks-however I am highly critical of the behaviour of the Israeli state. So.....surely I must be a hater of Israel then?
Looking forward to it.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Fuck me.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
What is the problem, I don't see a problem.
I frequently find myself in a position where I hate what Israel is doing, hate what Israel seems to stand for, hate what people from Israel appear to be saying, hate what people from Israel are doing to redraw the map between them and the Palestinians, hate what individual Israeli IDF are doing to Palestinians.
Do I hate Israel, yes, frequently I do.
So what?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Did you know there's a secret meeting that takes place every year, called Bildeer al-Beq, full of well-known figures from the financial and political world, who meet in a hotel in Ramallah to discuss their plans for world domination? And it's got nothing to do with Palestinians at all, in fact, most of the people who go there aren't even Arab. Nonetheless there is a small elite that, disproportionately, have Arabic names and origins. I feel that this elite must be discussed! What do you think?
Cheeky!
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Neither do I-but rach sees that as a contradiction which is why he is calling Tutu an Israeli hater.
Without any evidence I hasten to add.
Frig: I do not know how serious you think you are with your mangling of Arabic in terms of secerte and nefarious meetings like the one you quintly rpresemt as am Arabicised version of the "Bilderberg Group."
Bilderger in fact is a very real organisation but they do not hold even perpertrate their nonsense anywhere outwside of the EU. Either you are being purposely sarcastic or are being sold a flase bill of goods. Either way Frog, please do us both a favour and concentrate on what really exists and not on spurious conspiracy theory/ies.
Laptop: In a bit od unintended irnony you have accused me just what Garfiueld had the auddacity to accuse me of earlier last week. Actual support of an illegal terrorist ogrganistion which of coursd my jolly good fellow is totally against the law so pleasantly reminded to us by Garfiled and his active fantasy life.
I weas 3 year old when Black September took its collective bow and would have probably been struggling with toilet training but if you insist....
Gradnma: What did you fellow Brit from Stratford Up0n Avon who said "Doeth Protesteth Too Much?" Call it for what it is.
Weltweit: I respepect a person who openly admits to offering blanket hatred towards an entire nation...lt mush rather still think taking each individual on an individual basic tenets makes much more sense than just hating a person based upon their heritage but hey, who am I? Just a rather comming Israel who feels his slighlt overweight stomach turn as he sees Israel ad its beautiful people assaulted by foreigners who have never once had to doge a single bullet in trying to escort their toddlers home from 1stt Form. Amzing is it not? Armchair generals knoweverything about everything and not s damn thing about life.
Bilderger in fact is a very real organisation but they do not hold even perpertrate their nonsense anywhere outwside of the EU. Either you are being purposely sarcastic or are being sold a flase bill of goods. Either way Frog, please do us both a favour and concentrate on what really exists and not on spurious conspiracy theory/ies.
Laptop: In a bit od unintended irnony you have accused me just what Garfiueld had the auddacity to accuse me of earlier last week. Actual support of an illegal terrorist ogrganistion which of coursd my jolly good fellow is totally against the law so pleasantly reminded to us by Garfiled and his active fantasy life.
I weas 3 year old when Black September took its collective bow and would have probably been struggling with toilet training but if you insist....
Gradnma: What did you fellow Brit from Stratford Up0n Avon who said "Doeth Protesteth Too Much?" Call it for what it is.
Weltweit: I respepect a person who openly admits to offering blanket hatred towards an entire nation...lt mush rather still think taking each individual on an individual basic tenets makes much more sense than just hating a person based upon their heritage but hey, who am I? Just a rather comming Israel who feels his slighlt overweight stomach turn as he sees Israel ad its beautiful people assaulted by foreigners who have never once had to doge a single bullet in trying to escort their toddlers home from 1stt Form. Amzing is it not? Armchair generals knoweverything about everything and not s damn thing about life.
As for Tutu in his tutu, I will indeed produce a short list of his anti-Jewish comments and actions, not to be confused with his baltant and ghence no anrguable antui-Israeli pronouncements and actions. Call be a bit of a stick in the mud byt ever since leaving Kahni ideology behind I have not seen fit to combine religion with politics. I see Israel best where it stands, as a liberal demicracy, hence my failure to allign myself with SHAS who takes its poloice fro a Rabbi (former Chief Sephardi Rav Obadiah Yosef). Tut is an Anglican Biship sho cho9oses to not only make stick propaganda comments and service the partisan needs of many an Arab organisation,he is completely at a loss with Middle East politics as they were.
Tutu finds fault with Israel? Well so do I but the hell if I would ever use my position as a bishop in c hurch to articulate this political underpinningsa. That is patenetly wrong and was it not Jesus who said render unto Caesers what 8is Caeser and render onto G-D what ia G-D's? Seems old Des, If there is even a Jesus OR a Heaven will have quiote alot to answer to,
the his association with the UN Human ?Rights debacle which ub its first 3 sessions merelt focused on Israel....
Tutu finds fault with Israel? Well so do I but the hell if I would ever use my position as a bishop in c hurch to articulate this political underpinningsa. That is patenetly wrong and was it not Jesus who said render unto Caesers what 8is Caeser and render onto G-D what ia G-D's? Seems old Des, If there is even a Jesus OR a Heaven will have quiote alot to answer to,
the his association with the UN Human ?Rights debacle which ub its first 3 sessions merelt focused on Israel....
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Thats actually four times in one thread you've said you'd provide this list.
This is all starting to look very familiar rach.
I predict either:
A fourth flounce.
A break from the boards in the hope this thread will drop off the radar.
Or a made up ad hom in an attempt to deflect from the lack of evidence.
By the way you are still wrong on the UN Panel for Human rights. They didn't just examine Israels human rights abuses in their first year. I think I'll hold out on asking again for proof to substantiate that claim.
The list illustrating Tutus hatred for Israel for now-thanks in advance.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I have limited personal experience of people from Israel, but I do and have had some experience. I have more exposure to media reports about the behaviour of the Israeli state, in fact about that I have had plenty.
How would the world be if we all (all nations) behaved like Israel does? take what you want by force! how peacefull or warlike would the world be?
Is Israel an example we should all follow? I think not.
So I have not dodged bullets taking my kids to school, no I have not, and neither will you find me standing in between Israeli and Palestinian wearing a flack jacket.
I would be more likely to send weapons to Palestinians to permit them to defend themselves.
Why should I put myself at any risk to solve *your* problems.
These problems are *your* problems, problem for the adults of the region to solve, for all adult Israeli and Palestinian people to solve.
Trouble is, the adults in power in the region seem always to find reasons why they cannot make peace.
Why is that?
Spion
I hear ya
Because a state of war and the ever present opportunity to create more facts on the ground suits the Israeli state, which is de facto expanding in the so-called 'occupied territories' which have in essence been ceded to it by the inaction of the international community.
Grandpa: Actually I do intend to post a list on it but the more you whine about it the less important it becomes to me. Sort of a natural reaction, so why not plug it and let me do it or keep exercising those gums and provide fuel for your own deep seated obsessions.
Oh, you are incorrect about the REVAMPED Un Panel, seems there 2, but then propagandida sites would nopt tell you that. I will provide some info later which I am sure you will internalise and learn from.
Oh, you are incorrect about the REVAMPED Un Panel, seems there 2, but then propagandida sites would nopt tell you that. I will provide some info later which I am sure you will internalise and learn from.
Weltweit: "Israel does not take what it wants. Israel gained post Green Line Territories because of UN Mediation related to Armistice Agreements. Particularly Gaza and the "West Bank" were tossed in Israel's lap because the nations that formerly and illegaly possesed them (Egypt admistered Gaza which it seized in the 1948 War, and Jordan annexed the entire "West Bank" including East Jerusalem which IT seized in that same war - 1948) rejected taking them back. In other words, both Gaza and the "West Bank" were abbandoned by their former administrators due to "Palestinian" terrorism. Hmmmm....Something rings a bell.
"Weltweit would send weapons to 'Palestinians' wioth which to defend themselves." What kind of weapons? 120 mm shells like the kind shooting out of Gaza? 310 tanks like I fought against in Lebanon? 600 kilos in one car, 2 of them parked side by side and detinated just as Humantiarian AID is roling by? "Palestinians" have more than enough weapons. They lack unity, and they lack proper training but that is their onus to bear.
They were offered a state on the exact,same day we were. We accepted. They did not. End of story really. You make your own bed, you then have to sleep in it. Is that not a popular saying in English?
"Cant make peace.": Well see, it is a little thing called "RECOGNITION." When you refuse to recognise your opponent's existence it becomes all so difficult to then talk peace. When your Charter calls for their mass extinction as a People, it becomes even more difficult (noto to mention existential because how do you exterminate that which does not even exist?). Israel has agreed to a "PAlestine" , if you want barebone faacts, since 1919. IT has been sitting at the table since 1993. Time to look to where blame lies instead of snappy one loners because those only have so much mileage when facts enter the picture.
"Weltweit would send weapons to 'Palestinians' wioth which to defend themselves." What kind of weapons? 120 mm shells like the kind shooting out of Gaza? 310 tanks like I fought against in Lebanon? 600 kilos in one car, 2 of them parked side by side and detinated just as Humantiarian AID is roling by? "Palestinians" have more than enough weapons. They lack unity, and they lack proper training but that is their onus to bear.
They were offered a state on the exact,same day we were. We accepted. They did not. End of story really. You make your own bed, you then have to sleep in it. Is that not a popular saying in English?
"Cant make peace.": Well see, it is a little thing called "RECOGNITION." When you refuse to recognise your opponent's existence it becomes all so difficult to then talk peace. When your Charter calls for their mass extinction as a People, it becomes even more difficult (noto to mention existential because how do you exterminate that which does not even exist?). Israel has agreed to a "PAlestine" , if you want barebone faacts, since 1919. IT has been sitting at the table since 1993. Time to look to where blame lies instead of snappy one loners because those only have so much mileage when facts enter the picture.
Spion: You will need a chair for this becuse I do not want you, out of shock, to fall and hurt yourself but in 2005 we fully ceded Gaza. We even left an infrastructure worth literally billions and billions of US dollars that the inhabitants, "Palestinians," promptly bulldozed into the ocean.
The "West Bank" Israel merely controls one section now, Area C, and has joint control with the PA of a second. The third is fully in PA control. Israel has equipped and trrained a PA Policeforce to work even in Area C, and with the Quartet's assistance created 3 battalions of PA Army, trained in Jordan under US Contractors (one is being trained, 1 is fully deployed, the second finished their training last week and are awaiting facilities to deploy to but remain ensconced in PA Facilities elsewhere in the Bank.CheckPoints are being disassembled, Road Barriers being removed (60 so far) and all travel away from the GreenLine (meaning 3 directions) is being eased considerably in preperation for more and more autonomy.
We learned with Gaza that fully cedeing without any coordination with the "Palestinians" just does not lead to good things for either side.
Since 1994 all new Housing Permits for Jewish Israelis has been fully stopped in the "West Bank" so that any construction at this point is is in one of 3 scenariosa: Natural Expansion which is permitted via Oslo and merely includes previous residents who have married, or increased their family size, permits that were approved before the 94 Freeze went into effect, or in the Jerusalem Envelope,AKA Jerusalem Metrpolitan Corridor which is the 4 to 6% of the "WB" that Israel will etain via previous annexation and offer 4 to 6 % of Israeeli PRoprt land in exchange.
This is one reason why PA Police are arresting Israeli Jews every day in places like Hevron and Shechem. Travel to the "WB" unless already a pre-94 resident is against the law without a permit. Israel takes the issue quite seriously.
The "West Bank" Israel merely controls one section now, Area C, and has joint control with the PA of a second. The third is fully in PA control. Israel has equipped and trrained a PA Policeforce to work even in Area C, and with the Quartet's assistance created 3 battalions of PA Army, trained in Jordan under US Contractors (one is being trained, 1 is fully deployed, the second finished their training last week and are awaiting facilities to deploy to but remain ensconced in PA Facilities elsewhere in the Bank.CheckPoints are being disassembled, Road Barriers being removed (60 so far) and all travel away from the GreenLine (meaning 3 directions) is being eased considerably in preperation for more and more autonomy.
We learned with Gaza that fully cedeing without any coordination with the "Palestinians" just does not lead to good things for either side.
Since 1994 all new Housing Permits for Jewish Israelis has been fully stopped in the "West Bank" so that any construction at this point is is in one of 3 scenariosa: Natural Expansion which is permitted via Oslo and merely includes previous residents who have married, or increased their family size, permits that were approved before the 94 Freeze went into effect, or in the Jerusalem Envelope,AKA Jerusalem Metrpolitan Corridor which is the 4 to 6% of the "WB" that Israel will etain via previous annexation and offer 4 to 6 % of Israeeli PRoprt land in exchange.
This is one reason why PA Police are arresting Israeli Jews every day in places like Hevron and Shechem. Travel to the "WB" unless already a pre-94 resident is against the law without a permit. Israel takes the issue quite seriously.
Spion
I hear ya
Fully ceded? Except for total control or land, sea and air borders plus lobbing shells and bombs in with impunity. I don't know why the Gazans are so pissed off. They must hate freedom
And the West Bank. Likewise - total Israeli control of all border and most of the land. How many hundreds of checkpoints are there, how many villages are cut off from their lands? The West Bank looks like a Swiss cheese.
And the West Bank. Likewise - total Israeli control of all border and most of the land. How many hundreds of checkpoints are there, how many villages are cut off from their lands? The West Bank looks like a Swiss cheese.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Spion: Cedeing of Gaza was but the first in a multi-stage path that would have led to full statehood in all applicable ways including air and sea rights which were the rights nied (land was not and Incursions are still limited to specific security operations in the absebce of any cooperating authority doing a comprable job within Gaza).
What happened as we pulled the last truck out of Gaza, do you remember? A so called "Suicide Bomber" from PIJ was detained as he tried to detinate next to a bus of the last civilains leaving Gaza and this was just par for the course.
Israel, as a goodwill gesture left a Hothouse Industry worty I believe 37 billion US and had to twist HAMAS' hands to do it since they made us doze every other building and house into the ocean. They said it would just stand as a reminder of the hate that Israel stood for (their words).
The International Community however (primarily the EU) prevalied upon them to leave the Hothouse structures as is so that there would be a foothol for a viable exportable industry. What happened? In less than 2.5 weeks they had destryoed every last vestige of those structures and again, pushed them into the ocean (guess if you cannot actually push Jews into the sea houthouses a good proximity).
So almost 2 million Arabs tried to make a go of it. The EU was assisting them and helping operated their southern border with Egypt, they were not barricaded into Gaza, and were allowed to cross as anyone else corssing an International Bordr was allowed and until they took it upon themselves to abide by the HAMAS coup against the PA (i.e. Fatah) and then they were under a real isolation.
But why not, from the day in September, 205 when we finally finished that pull out they had not let one day go by without at least an attempt at terrorism aimed at Israeli civilains. Sadly (or gladly for Israeli non-combatants sake) they often missed and ended up killing their own people as thier home made rockets fell long short of the border and killed their own demographic.
As they refused to listen to both other Arab Govts. and the International Community, they were placed under blockade and only Humanitarian AID was allowed for entry into the Strip.
At that point the rockets became daily with no less than 5 per day landing within Israel Proper, usually in the South Western District which is in Western Negev and includes S'derot, Sha'ar HaNegev, and a few isolated Kibuutzim and Moshavot...and lately have upped their ante with 120 mm ordnance, AKA Grad /Katyusha ordnance that not only can reach (thus far) Ashkelon but have the ability for multiple launchings of 12 rockets per launch on highly mobile launchers so that if stocks allow, they can inflict horrendous damage upon Israel nad its non-combatant population.
So Spion, things are not so black and white as you tend to imagine.
What happened as we pulled the last truck out of Gaza, do you remember? A so called "Suicide Bomber" from PIJ was detained as he tried to detinate next to a bus of the last civilains leaving Gaza and this was just par for the course.
Israel, as a goodwill gesture left a Hothouse Industry worty I believe 37 billion US and had to twist HAMAS' hands to do it since they made us doze every other building and house into the ocean. They said it would just stand as a reminder of the hate that Israel stood for (their words).
The International Community however (primarily the EU) prevalied upon them to leave the Hothouse structures as is so that there would be a foothol for a viable exportable industry. What happened? In less than 2.5 weeks they had destryoed every last vestige of those structures and again, pushed them into the ocean (guess if you cannot actually push Jews into the sea houthouses a good proximity).
So almost 2 million Arabs tried to make a go of it. The EU was assisting them and helping operated their southern border with Egypt, they were not barricaded into Gaza, and were allowed to cross as anyone else corssing an International Bordr was allowed and until they took it upon themselves to abide by the HAMAS coup against the PA (i.e. Fatah) and then they were under a real isolation.
But why not, from the day in September, 205 when we finally finished that pull out they had not let one day go by without at least an attempt at terrorism aimed at Israeli civilains. Sadly (or gladly for Israeli non-combatants sake) they often missed and ended up killing their own people as thier home made rockets fell long short of the border and killed their own demographic.
As they refused to listen to both other Arab Govts. and the International Community, they were placed under blockade and only Humanitarian AID was allowed for entry into the Strip.
At that point the rockets became daily with no less than 5 per day landing within Israel Proper, usually in the South Western District which is in Western Negev and includes S'derot, Sha'ar HaNegev, and a few isolated Kibuutzim and Moshavot...and lately have upped their ante with 120 mm ordnance, AKA Grad /Katyusha ordnance that not only can reach (thus far) Ashkelon but have the ability for multiple launchings of 12 rockets per launch on highly mobile launchers so that if stocks allow, they can inflict horrendous damage upon Israel nad its non-combatant population.
So Spion, things are not so black and white as you tend to imagine.
Spion Part II: "WB": As you SHOULD know, Oslo divided the "WB" into 3 different zones, A, B, and C. One C, is under total Israeli control (granted it is the lkargest with 61% of the total land mass, a second, B, gives the PA control of Civil Administration but the IDF control of all Security Related Matters, and A which is fully under the control of the PA in every way.
The PA have their own well armed and trained police force, as well as 2 fully armed battalion of PA soldiers armed by the Us and Israel and trained by US Miulitary Contractors, with a third Battalion being readied for transport for their training bringing the grand total of PA well trained soldiers to the neighbourhood of 1800 men.
In addition, in some of the areas of Area B where Security is an IDF responsibility, Israel has allowed some problematic areas to be ran by the PA Soldiers as a sort of test case to check their ability and performance under real time conditions with the eventual aim, as I have long maintained, to cede the "WB" save for 4 to 6% which will be exchanged for an equal amount of arable Israeli Proper.
Israeli citizens caught in cities like Hevron are now immediately ID Checked and of not legal residents immediately taken into custody by the PA for later transfer to the Israeli Border Police who have that particular Mandate.
All NEW construction on the "WB" has been illegal since 1994 EXCEPT for permits approved before that date, or permits approved after that date that are in full accordance with the Oslo agreement on Natural Expansion which applies to previous (pre-94) residents who have married and/or had additions to their familiy thus neccissatating extra rooms and corresponding infrastructure.
the only real issue left to arguie is the status of East Jerusalem and the "PAlestinian Right of Return.": The latter will never happen unless the PA entity accepts them within the confines of ITS borders. Want to discuss it? First discuss the more than 1 million verifiable and alive Jewish Refugees who fled Arab lands in the pre 48 through post 48 Era.
Discuss the UN MEdiated SEttlement of 1949 that immeduiately accepted 100,000 "PAlestinians" for repatriation with more to come in mediated increments but then that was refused straight out of hand by the Arab Negotiating Team because thgey feared it weakened their overall hand.
They did however accept the 10,000,000 US in "Palestinians" finacial assets held ion Israel and finally released in 1953, end of case. But that still leaves the more than 1 billion US left by Jewish Refugess of Arab Lands IN 1948 DOLLARS. Wityh interest and infationary adjustments that is what? 100 billion roughly? Want to keep talking?
So, the only real issue is East Jerusalem and that is not so difficult as one might imagine. Jerusalem was envisoned by those in power,i.e. the Partition Architects to be an Internationalised City with free access for all until Jordagrabbed it in the War of 1948 and desecrated it by building public lavaratories that had 3 walls and used the "Western Wall/Wailing Wall" as the fourth wall against which patrons emptied their bladders and colons." In addition, little know to foreigners, the Wall is actually much longer than the tiny portion opened freely to the public and in one of these smaller sections that were used as simple backyard walls,etc, he allowed Armenians and Arab Christains to construct piggeries so that pigs shat allover our Holiest Space on the planet.
He also forbade a single Jew from even entering the secotr and as aresult it has become firm Israeli policy to never cede that section of Jerusalem, EVER.
Personally, the fact that al Waqf (not the theological concept but actual municpal entity) has their very own unfettered control of al Quds should put the idea to sleep nicely. I, a Jew whose paternal line never left into Exile cannot visit the Temple Mount except as a tourist and under Muslim, "Palestinian"conditions. As I see it, they have little to whine about.
The PA have their own well armed and trained police force, as well as 2 fully armed battalion of PA soldiers armed by the Us and Israel and trained by US Miulitary Contractors, with a third Battalion being readied for transport for their training bringing the grand total of PA well trained soldiers to the neighbourhood of 1800 men.
In addition, in some of the areas of Area B where Security is an IDF responsibility, Israel has allowed some problematic areas to be ran by the PA Soldiers as a sort of test case to check their ability and performance under real time conditions with the eventual aim, as I have long maintained, to cede the "WB" save for 4 to 6% which will be exchanged for an equal amount of arable Israeli Proper.
Israeli citizens caught in cities like Hevron are now immediately ID Checked and of not legal residents immediately taken into custody by the PA for later transfer to the Israeli Border Police who have that particular Mandate.
All NEW construction on the "WB" has been illegal since 1994 EXCEPT for permits approved before that date, or permits approved after that date that are in full accordance with the Oslo agreement on Natural Expansion which applies to previous (pre-94) residents who have married and/or had additions to their familiy thus neccissatating extra rooms and corresponding infrastructure.
the only real issue left to arguie is the status of East Jerusalem and the "PAlestinian Right of Return.": The latter will never happen unless the PA entity accepts them within the confines of ITS borders. Want to discuss it? First discuss the more than 1 million verifiable and alive Jewish Refugees who fled Arab lands in the pre 48 through post 48 Era.
Discuss the UN MEdiated SEttlement of 1949 that immeduiately accepted 100,000 "PAlestinians" for repatriation with more to come in mediated increments but then that was refused straight out of hand by the Arab Negotiating Team because thgey feared it weakened their overall hand.
They did however accept the 10,000,000 US in "Palestinians" finacial assets held ion Israel and finally released in 1953, end of case. But that still leaves the more than 1 billion US left by Jewish Refugess of Arab Lands IN 1948 DOLLARS. Wityh interest and infationary adjustments that is what? 100 billion roughly? Want to keep talking?
So, the only real issue is East Jerusalem and that is not so difficult as one might imagine. Jerusalem was envisoned by those in power,i.e. the Partition Architects to be an Internationalised City with free access for all until Jordagrabbed it in the War of 1948 and desecrated it by building public lavaratories that had 3 walls and used the "Western Wall/Wailing Wall" as the fourth wall against which patrons emptied their bladders and colons." In addition, little know to foreigners, the Wall is actually much longer than the tiny portion opened freely to the public and in one of these smaller sections that were used as simple backyard walls,etc, he allowed Armenians and Arab Christains to construct piggeries so that pigs shat allover our Holiest Space on the planet.
He also forbade a single Jew from even entering the secotr and as aresult it has become firm Israeli policy to never cede that section of Jerusalem, EVER.
Personally, the fact that al Waqf (not the theological concept but actual municpal entity) has their very own unfettered control of al Quds should put the idea to sleep nicely. I, a Jew whose paternal line never left into Exile cannot visit the Temple Mount except as a tourist and under Muslim, "Palestinian"conditions. As I see it, they have little to whine about.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Oh this is a new excuse-how wrong I was in my predictions at your excuses for not providing a list.
Another promise for more evidence.....dear oh dear
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Now I'm being told to back off. Double speak for 'I can say what I want-and I never have to prove it...and I will churn out whatever excuse I like in order to not provide that evidence'
He really has no idea of the hole he gets himself into-all he is interested in his sticking his fingers in his ears and pumping out his propaganda at a rate of knots. Rach loves the sound of his own keyboard.
Hole? Notice how every other poster who has managed to converse with me in an adult tone has received a plethora of sources? Only you seem to have this problem with me. Coinicidence or your personality at work?
Sources do not bother me, engaging insulting and demeaning people do/. I still eman to offer you a short list but the more you whine the less and less important it becomes to me so make your decison...Adult? Childlike? Hmmmm....I know it is a tough one but I have faith in you.
Sources do not bother me, engaging insulting and demeaning people do/. I still eman to offer you a short list but the more you whine the less and less important it becomes to me so make your decison...Adult? Childlike? Hmmmm....I know it is a tough one but I have faith in you.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Erm....no
What is this fantasy land that you live in Rach?Oh and by the way-I have conversed with you in an 'adult tone' in this thread (as well as several other posters)-and you've promised on four occasions provision of this list.
So where is it?
There's the fifth promise.
So how much time do you want? Give me a time limit and I assure you I wont ask again? Cant be any fairer than that?
I am at the point of just ignoring you again but not qwuite there so ....No need for a time limit. I have worked on it piecemeal but since I am producing soemthing I already know is in existence there is no great motivation to spur me along. See, proving things to you is not really soemthing that gives me joy. When asked maturely, I do my best to act in kind. When pestered, as opposed to reminded, I tend to just deflkect it and move on. We will see on this one. I mean, I have already talked about his famous 2002 speech that even he realised was out of line and offered in revised form in I believe 2004 but you want a comendium and that I am afraid takes a bit of work. If you continue to be patient you might get it. If not, so what? I am sure your life will troddle on just as it always does.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Great stuff. So if its already in existence then and as you point out there is no need for a time limit. So lets see it then please.
Thanks in advance.
Seeing as you have not provided me with one single shred of evidence or credible link to previous requests I would agree its not something that gives you joy but rather something that proves to be quite difficult for you.
Ok so lets move on then. I wont ask you again-purely on the grounds you feel 'pestered' but others have asked you in this thread and politely:
....so meet their requests then?
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