Grandma: Do you believe claiming that Jews control American policy and comparing Jews, loosely to Hitler,et al is offencive?
Desmond Tutu on Hamas & The Israeli Blockade of Gaza
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Answer the question, Rach. Where is your proof that Tutu is a rabid Jew-hater?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
This isn't about my views-its about the list if you would.
Grandma, et al: I asked that pointed question because that is EXACTLY what Tutu said in the speech that opened people's eyes. He was then everafter always making a point of how some Jews helped topple the Apartheid Era Govt. but I have no doubt that as he says this he also remembers that it was Israel that armed the Apartheid military, trained its Intel Corps, and so on. He is wityhout a doubt a biased enemy of Israel, and by his speech, in a Freudian slip, a confimed hater of Jews. He has made other comments, and yes, I will have to list them or I will never hear the end of it. I wonder though, why would anyone need proof AFTER that famous and oft quoted speech (that he ammended a full 2 years later so that he also admitted his bias in engaging in apologies for revealing it ).
I know how some U75ers love to compare Israelis to Nazis (atrocious but that is the taste of some here) but Tutu compared Jews to Nazis and that is a huge faux paux and very, very revealing.
I know how some U75ers love to compare Israelis to Nazis (atrocious but that is the taste of some here) but Tutu compared Jews to Nazis and that is a huge faux paux and very, very revealing.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Rachamim18 fails to realise that people who disagree with what Israel does are quite with their rights to hate Israel. And the point that Tutu makes is good, in order to make peace one must talk to one's enemies not your friends.
Israel needs to talk to Hamas, if they do not it is because they do not want peace.
Israel needs to talk to Hamas, if they do not it is because they do not want peace.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
intrstingly you respond with sure to a post which was aimed at rach... so dwyer... are you rach?
because that looks like a tactic admission to me
ip check please...
Grandma Death
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Translated: There is no list, there never was a list but I'll try my hand at some pop psychology to take the heat off me.
Judging by your obvious scrabbling around I can only assume this list (a list that is by your own admission already in 'existence') doesn't actually exist except in your head.
Seeing as that is clearly the case will you please concede that you are infact mistaking criticism for hatred and such a list never existed.
Please...for once-admit you were wrong.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here...it's the way you suddenly make a leap to Hitler after making some comment about "Jews controlling American policy". Bizarre in the extreme.
Oh fuck off Granny you stupıd twat. Thıs ısn't the bloody Spanısh Inquısıtıon. Why not dıscuss the ıssues for a change ınstead of your borıng thırd-degree wıtternıng nonsense? Or better stıll, leave thıs thread to those of us capable of havıng a real debate.
Grandma Death
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Post reported.
Poor old Granny.
Grandma Death
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You need to keep stop following me around. Its obvious to everyone reading your posts your some poor third rate troll with nothing much to say. Off you go little boy.
Calm down Granny, you know what the doctor saıd about your lıttle turns.
Serıously though: we were havıng some ınterestıng dıscussıons on thıs forum before you arrıved wıth your penchant for personal abuse. You need to cut ıt out now or get lost.
Grandma Death
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Yes Ive seen some of your 'serious' discussions phil-riveting stuff.
Now now Granny, I thınk you're a bıt too het-up for a proper dıscussıon at the moment? Today's young people really have no respect don't you agree?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Seriously phil-seek help. I strongly suspect you have undiagnosed psychological issues. You are an academic in your 40s...50s? You've openly admitted you love trolling on another forum-haven't you got better things to do that following people around poking them with a stick-or do you get some sort of perverted kick out of it?
You can keep posting but from where I'm standing it would look like you are desperately trying to get some sort of attention from this-I think you have issues.
Tutu does have a poınt about thıs though, doesn't he? I know that ıt was an allıance born of necessıty but stıll.
My only ıssue ıs wıth your presence on these forums, Granny. You've proved yourself to be a trouble-maker and tıme-waster over and over agaın. You're not welcome here, and I thınk you know ıt. Tıme to take your crap elsewhere perhaps?
editor
hiraethified
Cut out the off topic personal stuff please. And I mean everyone.
Who elected you spokesperson?
Grandma Death
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Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
The voices in his head.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
*yawn*
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
ooo glad you are back care to answer the question now dywer why were you responding in the first person to a question clearly aimed at Rach unless you were the same person.
so i'll ask again before reporting the dual login are you rach?
so i'll ask again before reporting the dual login are you rach?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
what a load of nonsense a less accurate summiseation of the poltics forums could not be made if you said walt disney and gogol were artists of the same style...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
then i suggest you cease insulting people by cotninueally lying and as it happens until you wriggled and wriggled i was perfectly politie towards you and in one of your many guises you invited me to spend time with your family so you must have been reasonably enamoured with me so about those sources WHICH YOU HAVE NEVER PROVIDED for ISM doctoring Rachels photos when you're ready...
seeing as you have no problem when people converse with you in an adult tone they'll be much appreciated.
No Garfıeld, I am not Rachamım. At least not today.
Now, ın an attempt to rescue thıs ludıcrous thread from total dısaster, let me quote from a speech of Tutu's made just last year. It concluded:
'The world needs the Jews, Jews who are faithful to their vocation that has meant so much for the world's morality, of its sense of what is right and wrong, what is good and bad, what is just and unjust, what is oppressive and what sets people free. Jews are indispensable for a good compassionate, just and caring world.'
Now, I've no doubt that Tutu ıntended thıs ın a generous spırıt. Whıch only goes to show how ınsensıtıve and tone-deaf the old buffer really ıs. For could anythıng be more patronızıng? Is he not sayıng, ın effect: 'Jews have every rıght to breathe the same aır as the rest of us, let's not kıll them, let's allow them to breed and flourısh just lıke normal people?'
Well cheers Desmond, thanks a lot!
Thıs ıs the kınd of condescensıon that one fınds expressed towards the Jews throughout the hıstory of Western lıterature. It ıs precısely the kınd of attıtude that makes the state of Israel a necessıty.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Thays done and dusted. Quite obviously he couldn't provide the evidence for that claim.
We're now onto the promised list about Tutu. 5 promises from Rach-4 requests from posters...all in an 'adult' tone I hasten to add.
So rach......
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