Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Whilst I acknowledge your desire to dig rach out of a hole-that isn't evidence of hatred for Jews.
So please tell me you have more than that phil? Rach could do with your help.
Desmond Tutu on Hamas & The Israeli Blockade of Gaza
- Thread starter Grandma Death
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Whilst I acknowledge your desire to dig rach out of a hole-that isn't evidence of hatred for Jews.
So please tell me you have more than that phil? Rach could do with your help.
''People are scared in this country, to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust."
-- Desmond Tutu.
Note that Tutu does not compare the Israelı government to Hıtler (although Lord knows that would have been offensıve enough). He compares ''the Jewısh lobby'' to Hıtler. He looks forward to a day when ''the Jewısh lobby'' wıll ''bıte the dust.''
One doesn't have to be a Jew to see where that sort of thıng comes from. Or where ıt leads to eıther.
-- Desmond Tutu.
Note that Tutu does not compare the Israelı government to Hıtler (although Lord knows that would have been offensıve enough). He compares ''the Jewısh lobby'' to Hıtler. He looks forward to a day when ''the Jewısh lobby'' wıll ''bıte the dust.''
One doesn't have to be a Jew to see where that sort of thıng comes from. Or where ıt leads to eıther.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
it's not done and dusted when the old man then continues to lie and state clearly he responds to poltie posters who ask him to provide evidence by way of his defence when he absolutley doesn't.
I see no reason why his utter failure to prove the lies and propaganda he is spreading should nto be challeneged and why he shouldn't be hoisted by his own petard every time he trots out the well worn line of if i'm abusive aggressive and entirely misrepresentative in every aspect of my postig life here you have no right to be impolite to me.
You must earn resepect and no expect it to be given freely. this is particularlly true when you have been proved to be a near continuious liar about every aspect of your life on here.
it's a suitable and big enough stick to weld to point out the utter dishonesty of the poster making more lying claims about their integrity as far as i'm concerned and i'll continue to use it to knock him down every single time the lie i do provide sources if you are polite or indeed any other obvious lie which spills from his poison pen is reproduced here.
Still Dwyer/Rach anything to say before one or more of your logins is deleted?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
answer the question Rach...
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Is that it?
Thats the evidence that Tutu is a hater of jews?
Don't worry Dwyer-I'm sure Rach will be along with his list shortly to help you out.
Yes. I was once utterly confıdent that my cunnıng dual ıdentıty as an Israelı junkıe from the South Bronx lıvıng ın the Phıllıpınes and an Amerıcan academıc from Cardıff lıvıng ın Turkey would remaın undetected. I thought that my plethora of locatıons and professıons would throw even the most ınsıghtful amateur sleuths off the scent. My plan was to sımultaneously advance the legalızatıon of heroın and the conquest of the mıddle-east--and I'd have gotten away wıth ıt too, of ıt wasn't for pesky Garf and Granny Wank. Curse you and your brıllıant detectıve mınds--curse you to Hell!
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
fucking with user names... bannable offence...
dearie dearie me...
Rach you are letting yourself down...
But tell me somethıng Garfıeld. How on earth dıd you work out that Rachamım and myself were one and the same? I was so certaın that my deceptıon was utterly watertıght--but I reckoned wıthout your brıllıance dıdn't I? So please: where dıd I slıp up, what was my error, whereın lay my mıstake? What gave the game away? How dıd your keen Sherlock Holmes-style sleuthıng nose snıff out my secret? Please tell me so that I can avoıd makıng such sılly mıstakes ın future--for I wıll be back, you may be certaın of that! And next tıme I won't be caught so easıly...
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
He had every opportunity to put those three lies to bed in this thread but failed to so so garf.
Posters like rach will always fall on their arse with their lies-this thread proves that. So we can move on from one set of porkies to the next-its makes no difference to me.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
so your reason for answering a post directly aimed at rach was ...
either you assumed it was for you in which case hello elephnatine ego in the room = not worth bothering about...
or you felt rach needed help with his continued assertation of things which drag the thread off topic (much as you insist on doign on each thread turning it in to another dull thread abotu dwyer...)
or you responded with your other login to a post direct addressed to you, as poster rach...
now out of those senarios 1 and 2 require a level of self awareness which you have never yet on these boards demonstrated. which leave option 3...
added to which your previous stated aim of coming here to troll the boards and i'm afraid it all stacks up against you.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
i know you feel it's an end to the matter however it's not when that lie is supplanted with another set of lies until these are found out...
forgive and forget isn't a solution for dealing with trolls like this.
perhaps we should have an unoffical signature which simply has rach liar and then a link to the thread...
it'd almost stop any form of engaugement being necessary with him...
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Post reported-you have been warned phil. Lets see what happens next eh.
Incredıble! Really Holmes, your powers of deductıon never cease to amaze me. How on earth dıd you develop such pıncer-lıke logıcal acuıty? It truly ıs astoundıng: ıf not 1 nor 2, then 3... damnably clever Holmes, I have to admıt. Well you may have foıled me thıs tıme, but I'll be back. I'll fınd a way to escape your steel-trap mınd yet, don't thınk I won't...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
wodners if when the editor comes back after dwyers recent efforts if he wouldn't mind remvoign the off topic nonsense from th thread also posted by the simpleton...
Well Holmes, almost anyone would rank as a sımpleton ın comparıson wıth your suprebly-honed powers of reasonıng. But I can't help notıng that ıt was *you* who fırst posıted the brıllıant ınsıght that Rachamım and I were one and the same (curse your eagle-eyed acuıty) and thus ıt mıght seem to a sımpleton that ıt was *you* who brought thıs thread down to the personal level. But I have no doubt that your unparalleld mınd has long foreseen such trıflıng objectıons, and that you stand prepared to astonısh us wıth yet further revelatıons. Please go ahead, torture us ın suspense no longer: what exactly was the poınt of your observatıon?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
No messing with usernames. No personal attacks. No more off-topic posts here at all actually, including replying to this, and no continuing of any personal spats here on other threads. There will be no further warnings on this point. Everyone here put everyone else on ignore because you are taking the fucking piss now and that means everyone.
Locked for a bit just to make sure everyone can bloody read.
Locked for a bit just to make sure everyone can bloody read.
Garfield: "Enamoured with Garfield.": No Garfield, not at all. It is something I would do to any sincere visitor to my country who really wished to see both sides. As for spending time with my family. I do not know you enough to have you around children and now garndchildbut I would gladly have the 2 boys still in Service allow you to see a different side of Aza that you would never see otherwise, or if you wished to see the "WB," I could pull strings,etc.
I think that if a person purports to have such a great interest in a particular subject matter then seeing just one side just does not cut it. I , as a native Arabic speaker and having roots in what is now called the "WB" have been able to long experience in non-IDF fashion life in that region. However, I have also been able to see many more documents than I could ever show here, actually speal to surviving Arabs from that era, as well as physically walk the paths of those villages.
I think a person like you would benefit greatly from such an opportunity. In fact, I return home to the Philippines in a good month, thehn it is off to what is now the Ukraine for Jewish New Year at the shrine of the Bratslaver Rebbe in Uman, and then back home, finally, top Bat Yam. I am there I could show you many things.
See me, I have spent more time with HAMAS, Tanzim, and every other Arab militian from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and our lands thanyone on this board. I know their ideologies, their misconceptions, and the scant few of them who knew the truth but fight for other reason.
The conflict is much more deeper than the black and white nonsense being propogated to naive Westerners. I love those Activists whom come to our land, sneak into the so called "Territories," spend maybe 6 weeks and then go home making University tours telling the world about how horrid the IDF,etc. is and how she saw with her own eyes how and Army Sgt made an elderly man proffer his ID and then refused to return it because it was apparently counterfeit...or how a youth of about 20 tried to bypass a Check Point and as a result was arrested...those HORRIBLE Israelis!
The point is, if you are interedted in a subject, the idea should be to learn as much as you humanly can and not to engage in hyperbole and personal insults.
"Sources for doctored ISM photos...": You mean, seriously, that you have never been able to find any info on this having happened? How Retuers was forced to pull them nad offer a retraction blaming ISM?I will give you a hint, it was with an Evergreen student, male, who shared his tend with her in the garbage dump they had been sleeping out just 2 night before the fatal incident (the night beofre the eonsconced in a symapthetic 'Palestinian' family...most Arabs hating the group so much that that last night in their tent became the last night because of AK shots raking theior little encampment after PRC lackeys first delivered a letter to them from their copmmander accusing them of spying and giving them 4 hours to leave. They obviously did not, got AK strafed, and then decided top take that family up on an offer of shelter.
You are right though. you have asked nicely and so I will, in a bit, give a bit on the man who forged those photos.
I think that if a person purports to have such a great interest in a particular subject matter then seeing just one side just does not cut it. I , as a native Arabic speaker and having roots in what is now called the "WB" have been able to long experience in non-IDF fashion life in that region. However, I have also been able to see many more documents than I could ever show here, actually speal to surviving Arabs from that era, as well as physically walk the paths of those villages.
I think a person like you would benefit greatly from such an opportunity. In fact, I return home to the Philippines in a good month, thehn it is off to what is now the Ukraine for Jewish New Year at the shrine of the Bratslaver Rebbe in Uman, and then back home, finally, top Bat Yam. I am there I could show you many things.
See me, I have spent more time with HAMAS, Tanzim, and every other Arab militian from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and our lands thanyone on this board. I know their ideologies, their misconceptions, and the scant few of them who knew the truth but fight for other reason.
The conflict is much more deeper than the black and white nonsense being propogated to naive Westerners. I love those Activists whom come to our land, sneak into the so called "Territories," spend maybe 6 weeks and then go home making University tours telling the world about how horrid the IDF,etc. is and how she saw with her own eyes how and Army Sgt made an elderly man proffer his ID and then refused to return it because it was apparently counterfeit...or how a youth of about 20 tried to bypass a Check Point and as a result was arrested...those HORRIBLE Israelis!
The point is, if you are interedted in a subject, the idea should be to learn as much as you humanly can and not to engage in hyperbole and personal insults.
"Sources for doctored ISM photos...": You mean, seriously, that you have never been able to find any info on this having happened? How Retuers was forced to pull them nad offer a retraction blaming ISM?I will give you a hint, it was with an Evergreen student, male, who shared his tend with her in the garbage dump they had been sleeping out just 2 night before the fatal incident (the night beofre the eonsconced in a symapthetic 'Palestinian' family...most Arabs hating the group so much that that last night in their tent became the last night because of AK shots raking theior little encampment after PRC lackeys first delivered a letter to them from their copmmander accusing them of spying and giving them 4 hours to leave. They obviously did not, got AK strafed, and then decided top take that family up on an offer of shelter.
You are right though. you have asked nicely and so I will, in a bit, give a bit on the man who forged those photos.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Another promise.
By the way just to clarify-you originally claimed the ISM leadership admitted to doctoring the photos-its that claim Garf is asking you about-and its that claim I know you wont get anywhere near providing evidence for.
I presume that's an offer to get posters to see Gaza, not "Aza".
May I take you up on that?
Funny you should try to ride me on that. Just go to the site "Stop the ISM" and you will find a plethora of like minded info, including the tortured mind of the patsy Jose Smith, AKA Joe Carr who actually toom the pics and is the person who stood next to both Corrie and Hundall as both went to their deaths and did nothing except try to capitalise on it. If you take the time to read his poetry you might begin to see things a bit differently.
ISM leadership HAS apologised for doctored photos to Reuters, and HAS apologised to HRW for harbpuring a known terrorist in their Rammalah office along with weaponry. A bunch of spoiled (and maybe soiled as well) white hypocrites who need to get more attention at home before they keep mucking up my homeland although since their propensity for passport fraud came to light SHABAK has been keeing the fools out to a large degree. Let them find a nother pet cause like Save the Dingo or Lapp Livlihoods and leave my country alone. What a bunch of jokers.
As I have long told you, GOOGLE CAN be your best friend Gradma, Stop the ISM, Doctoring Corrie Photos, and PISM are all good phrases to Google...should keep you busy for a good week....knowling what little I know about you perhapos a month. The point though love is that you have all you ever asked for right there at your fingertips. To expect me to serve you given your attutude, now that is audacity.
ISM leadership HAS apologised for doctored photos to Reuters, and HAS apologised to HRW for harbpuring a known terrorist in their Rammalah office along with weaponry. A bunch of spoiled (and maybe soiled as well) white hypocrites who need to get more attention at home before they keep mucking up my homeland although since their propensity for passport fraud came to light SHABAK has been keeing the fools out to a large degree. Let them find a nother pet cause like Save the Dingo or Lapp Livlihoods and leave my country alone. What a bunch of jokers.
As I have long told you, GOOGLE CAN be your best friend Gradma, Stop the ISM, Doctoring Corrie Photos, and PISM are all good phrases to Google...should keep you busy for a good week....knowling what little I know about you perhapos a month. The point though love is that you have all you ever asked for right there at your fingertips. To expect me to serve you given your attutude, now that is audacity.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
But the leadership never admitted to doctoring the photos as you claimed. No such confession exists-yet you claimed otherwise. Without once again providing proof of that.
Totally irrelevant to your claim.
There is NOTHING on the internet to back your claim up. You also had every chance to provide the evidence over a period of 18 months-you failed.
This matter is now dropped-unless of course you keep insisting your claim is correct. In which case I will keep pointing you to this thread which clearly shows you failing to back up your claims.
Grandma: "But ISM leadership never admitted to doctoring photos!": Actually 2 of them did (there being actually 5 people who are considered "founders" from the 11/00 to 2/01 era of the organisation).
They actually did not have much choice or they would have certainly lost alot of receptive ears in the mainstream news community , and perhaps some of their fringe dwellers.
"It is totally irrelevant to what Rachamim is saying when he claims that ISM apologised for having harboured a known terrorist in their Ramallah (and Jenin offices)." I do not think so and do not even faintly understand how you could.
"There is absolutely nothing on the web about Doctoring Corrie Photos,etc,etc.": Come, come come now. Are you being serious? I myself also use Goggle Grandma. It is there quite in evidence. In fact, Carr, or whatever name is has cadged this week, freely amits that he sees nothing wrong with the practice since Disinformation can be an asset as he tell us.
"Dropped unless I insist I am cirrect.": Look, I do not mean to say it in a mean way, but in cases like this you will NEVER have the ability yto handle information that I posses. I am SURE of my position. Not out of any ideological bent, but because I know it to be the actual facts in the case. You want to paint me a liar, it is cool. No bother to me. At the end of the day truth prevails as they say. If it does not cvome out now, it will soon.
They actually did not have much choice or they would have certainly lost alot of receptive ears in the mainstream news community , and perhaps some of their fringe dwellers.
"It is totally irrelevant to what Rachamim is saying when he claims that ISM apologised for having harboured a known terrorist in their Ramallah (and Jenin offices)." I do not think so and do not even faintly understand how you could.
"There is absolutely nothing on the web about Doctoring Corrie Photos,etc,etc.": Come, come come now. Are you being serious? I myself also use Goggle Grandma. It is there quite in evidence. In fact, Carr, or whatever name is has cadged this week, freely amits that he sees nothing wrong with the practice since Disinformation can be an asset as he tell us.
"Dropped unless I insist I am cirrect.": Look, I do not mean to say it in a mean way, but in cases like this you will NEVER have the ability yto handle information that I posses. I am SURE of my position. Not out of any ideological bent, but because I know it to be the actual facts in the case. You want to paint me a liar, it is cool. No bother to me. At the end of the day truth prevails as they say. If it does not cvome out now, it will soon.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
You can make this claim until you're blue in the face. Until you have the evidence to back it up means fuck all-and guess what? You've thus far evaded providing that evidence for nearly two years now as well as having every chance to redeem yourself with this thread:
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=244544
You failed miserably.
rachamim18 said:
Its quite simply. I'm not interested in anything superfluous to your claim. I'm not interested in your mammoth essays devoid of evidence-all I'm interested in proof to back up your claim.
rachamim18 said:
Dear oh dear....you have no shame do you
You've moved from 'I cant use the quote button' to 'I'll make up something the poster clearly didnt even say and I'll make it look like an authentic quote.Pathetic.
Grandma Death said:
rachamim18 said:
Well it certainly won't come from you with your half baked promises and your consistent weaving and dodging.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
This is what I mean about controlling discourse. Here you offer a story (because that's what it is) and this story isn't based on hard evidence; it's been constructed to paint Israel's critics in a bad light. I have seen you make these claims before and fail to support any of them with real evidence...that is to say, proper evidence, not Mossad-planted stories.
I think everyone has grasped that by now. Nevertheless, I suggst that this constant demending of "linkslinkslinks" is an unproductive way to conduct an argument. All that happens when links are provided is that people then question the *source* of the links, and the debate moves onto that level and away from the substantive issues.
I further suggest that people should do their own research independently into the truth of claims made on here, and then offer their own rebuttals. We have frequently seen statements of perfectly well-known facts (such as "AI was founded by Communists") challenged with demands for "linkslinkslinks" when a few minutes' research could have decided the mater without such distraction. In short, I request that people restrain themselves from greeting every single assertion by such repetitive demands.
Well, up to a point. But it can also be used as a desperate, last-ditch tactic by people who have lost the argument.
For instance: someone makes a claim, and someone else demands a link. If no link is provided, the demand is repeated incessantly (and quite literally for years in some cases) while the person who made the claim is denounced as a fraud, a liar, a cheat etc.
If a link is provided, the debate moves on to questioning the source of the link. "What do you expect from that source, they are liars, frauds etc." Often the original poster is attacked as endorsing all the political standpoints held by the source: "they are fascists so you are a fascist too because you cite them."
My point is that most of the arguments here don't depend on facts that can be proved true or false. Most of the arguments here are based on different interpretations of facts that everyone agrees on. To attempt to wrench the debate onto the level of "prove that, prove it, where's your proof, links links links" is distracting (I suspect sometimes deliberately so), and very very boring for the rest of us.
I agree with this completely. Some posters on this forum seem to think themselves infallible in their powers of interpretation of facts.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That doesn't actually pertain in this case, though.
In some cases the source is less than credible, in others it is purely a tactic of dismissal.
That said, I believe that most of us are bright enough to work out which are which.
Proof is central to the debate. Without evidence to support the veracity of a claim, the claim becomes merely the voicing of an uninformed opinion.
It must also be said that poor as such tactics as you outline are, so too is the tactic of promising to provide links to evidence to support one's assertions, and then near-endlessly making excuses (each one more ridiculous than the last) for not doing so.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And some posters are notorious for posting a load of Cock and Shite.
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